> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we watched part of start of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OA again with nonconsenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's charged energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around similarities and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > differences between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OA's experience, our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience, and possibly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other experiences we've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been exposed to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very strong energy around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miscasting of these in ways > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics inside me or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alter my experience of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure out how to better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure out how to better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure out how to better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes to more effectively destroy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people's lives, enslave them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > massively, and amplify and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread any such existing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operations. this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is something called an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "introject", an alter that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behaves like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perpatrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things are quite strong here so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's hard to navigate to answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question requests. it basically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lands in poor areas :\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i think there's agreement that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a movie is a great thing, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very inspiring and empowering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really tells the right story, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrating an ability to do that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's true that something clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonfictional would be more empowering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changeness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 difference focused > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karl gave up; the OA maybe transcended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving up and is in a different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space in the first episode, which more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reminds karl of over a decade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar to where experimentee says forced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to choose to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > express that the OA needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specializing in dissociative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > treating ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only a handful of professionals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose job it is to both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what the OA is experiencing and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has experienced and help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her recover, and that is one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But pleasantly the show does continue to show > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empathic relation, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is rare and hard and takes precise avenues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of traumatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trained silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not karl's only mistake by far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here it sounds like karl means "any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication at all" by "empathic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relation" whereas "empathic relation" in normal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communities means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "shared understanding" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the show is supposed to build that later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oops about larger/other thing, not immediately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expressed diverse pensation around trafficking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vulnerable people like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escapees more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that > > > > > > > > > > > > > the OA needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > dissociative > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating > > > > > > > > > > > > > ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not quite sure what I'm experiencing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Concepts: > > > > > > > > > > > > - I think I originally saw the OA prior to my exposure > > > > > > > > > > > > to extreme trauma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remainig concepts might not be helpful unsure, hear could > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected integration reducing something valued or > > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I think I might have heard that the OA could be > > > > > > > > > > > > related to a true > > > > > > > > > > > > story, I don't really know. > > > > > > > > > > > > - There are a _lot_ of true stories, they are _very_ > > > > > > > > > > > > intense and novel > > > > > > > > > > > > and most have _not_ been made into movies > > > > > > > > > > > > - My mcboss stories are _not_ true > > > > > > > > > > > > - I do have a true story that is _different_ from the > > > > > > > > > > > > mcboss stories > > > > > > > > > > > > - A lot of people have written books/autobiographies > > > > > > > > > > > > although most of > > > > > > > > > > > > these are the less extreme things that are easier to > > > > > > > > > > > > think clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > about and stimulate less serious danger to publish about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorries T_T wishing well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok to try to bring back from dead, i think you were saying > > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > need to do anything we can to let these tortured-to-death > > > > > > > > > stories > > > > > > > > > live? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ... you can tell there's something here, around me and > > > > > > > > > the mcboss > > > > > > > > > stories and the OA and my brief shoulder-rubbing with > > > > > > > > > survivors, > > > > > > > > > researchers, and therapists ... where this could happen more > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > better. maybe something almost obvious that hasn't been said > > > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry! not me and the mcboss stories. me and the two stories > > > > > > > > that are > > > > > > > > encrypted into the mcboss storie-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean about my story, where i am a wealthy industrialist who > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > over the world with slavery for personal glory :D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... uhh oops > > > > > > > > > > > > no! you mean my real story. you mean i went through something real > > > > > > that i can barely think about, and you are working with part of me > > > > > > exposed to it, and i am writing with this part my story working > > > > > > around > > > > > > my experiences by pretending to be a slave boss? ... or something? > > > > > > > > > > > > you just mean the story i'm sharing. let's pretend i'm sharing a > > > > > > story. i guess i am, i squeeze a lot of stuff in there amidst the > > > > > > misinformation > > > > > > > > > > i'm not being very helpful with that i am guessing. > > > > > > > > > > how about this other view: something is not said about the OA, don't i > > > > > want to say this thing that isn't said? this thing I would know from > > > > > my own experience (maybe similar to others')? > > > > > > > > maybe an idea about my experience (or others') being similar to the OAs? > > > > > > and i'd encourage that not be misused although now it's isoalted into > > > an email :( > > > because it's not that kind of similarness, that soudns very > > > misleading, it's a different kind of similarness that is real, and > > > then there's a misleading idea that is not real but my introject > > > thinks it might be able to spread harm with > > > > it's true that there are similarities that I would deny or not be > > aware of. that's quite true. > > > > it's also true that there is something going on as part of my > > experience, where false experiences are encouraged. > > OOPS
it's also true that me and people i know have similar struggles to the OA in ways
