The PHRF Regs we sail under on the Hudson River are here http://www.yralis.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=555474&module_id=88095
They are more generous in terms of sprit length for W/L courses. Up to 24% of J without penalty, but less generous with the credits. Where you get zinged is on a distance Race. If you fly an Asym off a pole, there is no penalty as long as it is not a penalty chute (SMW <=180%). for your boat. If you delcare both Sprit and Symmetrical you get zinged (reviewed by committee case by case) and if you fly a chute designed for your sprit off a pole, it is rated as a penalty chute. If you don't declare it and try it you could get DSQ for equipment violation. Eric ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!" *Russ Cargill* On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net>wrote: > Eric: > This is an active topic this time of year......... but I'd make sure you > are > reading your regs, correctly. > Here in New England, the Handicapping section of the website > www.nephrf.org > specifically discusses using an ASYM vs SYM spinnakers. > > Basically, if you race in a fleet with spinnakers, using an ASYM, there is > no penalty to your racing rating. If you then disclose that you "have no > pole" you get a 9 sec. allowance added to your racing rating. > > If, however, you decide to use a "sprit" you can go 10% of the J dimension > without a penalty, for every 10% additional, you get a 3 second penalty. > > I've had this reviewed for my 38MKIIC with a 16.5' "J". the longest I can > go beyond the tack fitting is 19.2" ....anything longer incurs a penalty. > > Someone mentioned the furling ASYM systems..........which are really nifty. > The issue for boats without a sprit is that that clearance at the top often > binds and it gets hairy when rolling up the ASYM. You'd have to add a > "crane" out in front of the current mast plate to accommodate both furlers > at the top. Additionally, the stresses on the sprit pole is significant > since the "torsion rope luff" needs to be tensioned very tight..as someone > also said, these systems are evolving and may need some time to mature. > > Agreed, however, on the Selden system.....excellent materials and design.. > > Good luck with your project, just check the details of the rating system in > your area. > > Best, > > Ron C. > Impromptu > C&C 38MKIIC '77 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Will > Harris > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:26 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List bowsprit/asym > > For the boats you guys are talking about, C&C 34, C&C 40s etc., in > fairness you should get a hefty PHRF CREDIT, for switching to asyms. > You guys can cream the sprit boats dead down in moderate breeze. Just > pull the pole back and aim for the mark. > > I sailed an RCYC Open a few years back on a really well-sailed Bene > 10.4, ( awful boat... but I digress). > "Red Jacket" was in our class and we owed her a bunch of time. We'd > dust her upwind, then go reaching around on our gybe angles. She'd > round behind, square back and just grind our bendy, french asses into dust. > > If it was a 5 leg course, we had a chance. Downwind finish??... > fageddaboudit. > > Not all PHRF committees have figured this out. If you do switch, your > rating should get significantly BETTER. Sadly, it probably won't. > > -- > Will Harris > Waterline Systems > > 716-531-6088 > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com >
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