Hi Martin,
I should have known the answer right away, had the North U tactics
seminar last month... but that was over four weeks ago and the
details got pushed aside already.
Definitions (abridged):
Proper Course - A course a boat would sail to finish asap in the
absence of other boats referred to in the rule using the term. A boat
has no proper course before her starting signal.
Start - A boat starts when, having been entirely on the pre-start
side of the starting line at or after her starting signal, and having
complied with rule 30.1 if it applies, when any part of her hull etc.
crosses the starting line in the direction of the first mark.
So, she has a proper course at he start signal even though she hasn't started.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
At 02:22 PM 12/04/2013, you wrote:
The difference may involve the definition of proper course. I have
not read the book on the newest RRoS to see if any changes were made
but IIRC at one time the leeward boat could go head to wind without
regard to proper course before the start.
On a related RRoS starting issue:
During a pursuit race (timed start based on ratings, slowest first),
if a slower rated boat's assigned start time has passed but they
have not crossed the starting line (light air, adverse current)
which part of the RRoS applies as Calypso enters the start line area
within 4 minutes of the assigned start time?
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Edd Schillay
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video
Martin,
The rules apply as long as a boat is RACING. By
definition, a boat is RACING from the 4-minute prep signal of her
start until she has finished and her hull has cleared the finish line.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>Starship Enterprise's
Captain's Log Website
On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Martin DeYoung
<<mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote:
Alan,
Does Dave Perry's 2016 RRoS book clarify the difference, if any,
between before the start and after crossing the starting line
regarding Rule 11 and 14?
It has been a while since I read Dave's last RRoS book but I recall
something about the right-of-way boat having more flexibility before
the starting gun.
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:31 AM
To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video
Blue was allowed to sail her course until she was the give-way
boat. As soon as she overlapped Camelot, she was the give-way boat,
and had to keep clear. When a give-way boat is so close to a
right-of-way boat, such that the right-of-way boat cannot turn in
either direction without immediately touching the give-way boat, the
give-way boat has violated her obligation to keep clear. They do
not have to touch in order to prove that Blue did not keep
clear. See Dave Perry's "Understanding The Racing Rules of Sailing
through 2016, page 96. In addition, the right-of-way boat must take
the appropriate action to avoid hitting the give-way boat, when it
appears that the give-way boat is not going to keep clear, after
which she can protest the give-way boat.
There is no requirement for either boat to communicate with the
other boat, but it is prudent to do so. If Camelot had called to
Blue to head up, or yelled "leeward boat" or "no room", it might
have been enough to keep the boats from colliding. If Blue couldn't
control her direction, she could have called to Camelot to fall off,
that she couldn't steer away, Camelot might have been able to fall
off and avoid the crash. She then could have protested Blue. Since
both boats broke rules of part 2 of the Racing Rules of Sailing
(Blue-Rule 11, Same tack Overlapped; Camelot-Rule 14, Avoiding
Contact), both boats should have been penalized by retiring from the
race (Rule 44.1(b).
Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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