I tend to agree Dwight. That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very similar situation I got myself into last year minus the crushed legs. I was being too aggressive, boats touched and although no protest came of it, I was at fault and should have bailed when I was getting squeezed out of the pack before the committee boat. On the deck after the race much discussion was held and I insisted I could not change course for I would have rammed the committee boat but later when the photos came out I realized I had plenty of time to abandon the start and not look like a knob. The point is at speed within lengths of the line and adrenaline is up with a bunch of fast boats a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision that you wished you hadn't after the fact and unfortunately the only solution to this is experience. On the plus side the event was educational, provided lively beer talk and no damage was done.
Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: > Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated > crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like she > was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like the > committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet. If she went up hard > she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the committee > boat. I can’t tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off safely to avoid > collision with blue without making a collision with the boat below her, looks > like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now up now up now up so > someone on Blue knew they were being taken up but I don’t think the helmsman > or the crew acted soon enough or fast enough. The helmsman’s effort to steer > up seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on that boat if you ask me. The > mainsail trimmer tensioned for more close hauled course and looks like the > jib trimmer did the same…seems like the crew did not know how to sail that > boat under those conditions in close quarters…they did not appear to know > what to expect from the boat and the crew…if I turned the wheel that > aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she would go up, now I have to try that > to find out for sure and ruin a perfectly nice beat some day. Haven’t raced > in a while… what is in the rule about barging > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen > Sent: April 12, 2013 6:36 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video > > After the preparatory signal (boats are now racing and must sail by the > racing rules) but before the starting signal, the leeward boat can sail all > the way up to head to wind. After the starting signal, she cannot sail > higher than close hauled. Boats must still avoid contact if at all possible. > Crossing the starting line has no effect on how rules 11 and 14 are applied. > > Alan Bergen > C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > > Alan, > > Does Dave Perry’s 2016 RRoS book clarify the difference, if any, between > before the start and after crossing the starting line regarding Rule 11 and > 14? > > It has been a while since I read Dave’s last RRoS book but I recall something > about the right-of-way boat having more flexibility before the starting gun. > > Martin > Calypso > 1970 C&C 43 > Seattle > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:31 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video > > Blue was allowed to sail her course until she was the give-way boat. As soon > as she overlapped Camelot, she was the give-way boat, and had to keep clear. > When a give-way boat is so close to a right-of-way boat, such that the > right-of-way boat cannot turn in either direction without immediately > touching the give-way boat, the give-way boat has violated her obligation to > keep clear. They do not have to touch in order to prove that Blue did not > keep clear. See Dave Perry's "Understanding The Racing Rules of Sailing > through 2016, page 96. In addition, the right-of-way boat must take the > appropriate action to avoid hitting the give-way boat, when it appears that > the give-way boat is not going to keep clear, after which she can protest the > give-way boat. > > There is no requirement for either boat to communicate with the other boat, > but it is prudent to do so. If Camelot had called to Blue to head up, or > yelled "leeward boat" or "no room", it might have been enough to keep the > boats from colliding. If Blue couldn't control her direction, she could have > called to Camelot to fall off, that she couldn't steer away, Camelot might > have been able to fall off and avoid the crash. She then could have > protested Blue. Since both boats broke rules of part 2 of the Racing Rules of > Sailing (Blue-Rule 11, Same tack Overlapped; Camelot-Rule 14, Avoiding > Contact), both boats should have been penalized by retiring from the race > (Rule 44.1(b). > > Alan Bergen > C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5740 - Release Date: 04/12/13 > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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