An asym doesn't need to be smaller - there are some huge VMG versions I've seen, in particular on a PHRF-optimized J/109 in Boston, and if you can get it to rotate out in front of the boat you can go pretty deep too. The measurement standard is 180% mid girth, like regular spinnakers.
The penalty is there because it gives you better performance in some conditions and 3 seconds is the least they can generally change a handicap by. In PHRF NE; with an asym only, tacked to the bow you get 9 second relief over having a symmetrical; asym tacked to a pole = same as a symmetrical; symmetrical plus asym tacked to a pole - depends because not many people have this setup, so not much data. Take a look at this and tell me that 9 seconds relief is still valid... http://www.na.northsails.com/tabid/23017/Default.aspx Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > I appreciate the analysis of when each sail is preferred, reaching vs > running, but isn't an asym smaller than a full spinnake? I could see > getting a rating hit for a sprit, just like a pole longer than J. Can't > see why using an asym with standard pole would hurt his rating? Is he > mounting the pole further forward? I think there is more to this. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> > *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:27:22 PM > > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > I checked with my expert - Cal 40 with both regular and asym. Flies both > from the pole. > > He gets a 3 second hit for the asym (Ches Bay) and does not think it is > worth it for sailing on the Chesapeake (not a lot of east/west winds for > reaching). But, finds it is very handy for Newport to Bermuda ("it was 'the > bomb' last time"). > > Figure that the 3 seconds is *always* so there has to be a lot of > reaching to make up for the windward and leeward parts of a race. > > And, he says it is a b...h to jibe. Must go all the way out in front of > the boat as you are turning the boat - has many opportunities to tangle up. > And, a heavy boat like his doesn't get that quick acceleration that a > light one may. > > He's hoping that ChesBay PHRF will re-think their policy. > > Gary Nylander > St. Michaels MD > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:12 PM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > Bill, > > > > I really appreciate the info. About 90% of our racing is all W-L courses. > The symmetrical chutes run deep real well. We have one J-105 with an > asym. He races all by himself. It doesn’t look fun. I can see the value > for reaching though. It does do that well. I might consider one for > cruising. Not sure I’d want to use it to race. I’d have to declare it on > my PHRF certificate. Not sure what they’d do to my rating. > > > > Jake > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill > Coleman > *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 8:19 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > > > Jake, > > I don’t think I am usually as aggressive as you, I am guessing, but – > (these are on distance races) I normally start out with an A sail on a > headsail tack shackle– if the wind comes back, and I believe it will stay > back, I will put the pole on the A sail tack and pop the bow shackle, then > pull the pole back. If it goes back to a close reach, the pole usually ends > up on the headstay pulled down hard. I have re-attached the pennant to > get rid of the pole, but usually not, as it keeps the tack a little more to > windward. > > In anything but mostly downwind, I think the Asymmetrical has a better > shape for broad reaching than a big bubble. > > Unfortunately around here, regular spinnaker races are windward leeward > because it is run by the people with the newer light boats, and then we > have to use a regular symmetrical chute. > > I would like to have at least an anchor roller to attach the asymmetrical > to, because I have run into problems with the chute wrapping around the > headstay. It would be REALLY good to get it away from the headstay. Did I > mention that the headstay is a problem with Asymmetricals? > > Regarding the sissy socks, I have a VF Shaw Chute Scoop sock, it can be > really handy when things get ugly and you are short handed. > > I am also tempted by the newer roller furlers, but they are pricy. > > Also jibing can run into problems. This takes practice. There are > several articles on this. We still occasionally screw this up. I would > rather douse it and re-set it, because, percentage-wise, it would put me in > the positive. Keep in mind, these are distance races, and we have but a few > crew > > > > Bill Coleman > > C&C 39 [image: animated_favicon1] > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >
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