Nope, the pole is the same - off the mast. And, an asym for racing can be just as big as a regular spinnaker (probably not as much sail area, but longer in the luff and the same on the foot). There's a formula the PHRF (ChesBay) uses. I haven't looked at it in detail. He said that in some other areas there is a 6 second credit if you fly the asym off the forestay without a pole. But, with a pole, you can pull the asym back and get some downwind angles from that, so I guess that's the logic. As I said, there could be some guidance to make this more scientific and not as much guesswork.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck S
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
I appreciate the analysis of when each sail is preferred, reaching vs
running, but isn't an asym smaller than a full spinnake? I could see getting a
rating hit for a sprit, just like a pole longer than J. Can't see why using an
asym with standard pole would hurt his rating? Is he mounting the pole further
forward? I think there is more to this.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:27:22 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
I checked with my expert - Cal 40 with both regular and asym. Flies both from
the pole.
He gets a 3 second hit for the asym (Ches Bay) and does not think it is worth
it for sailing on the Chesapeake (not a lot of east/west winds for reaching).
But, finds it is very handy for Newport to Bermuda ("it was 'the bomb' last
time").
Figure that the 3 seconds is always so there has to be a lot of reaching to
make up for the windward and leeward parts of a race.
And, he says it is a b...h to jibe. Must go all the way out in front of the
boat as you are turning the boat - has many opportunities to tangle up. And, a
heavy boat like his doesn't get that quick acceleration that a light one may.
He's hoping that ChesBay PHRF will re-think their policy.
Gary Nylander
St. Michaels MD
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Brodersen
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Bill,
I really appreciate the info. About 90% of our racing is all W-L courses.
The symmetrical chutes run deep real well. We have one J-105 with an asym. He
races all by himself. It doesn’t look fun. I can see the value for reaching
though. It does do that well. I might consider one for cruising. Not sure
I’d want to use it to race. I’d have to declare it on my PHRF certificate.
Not sure what they’d do to my rating.
Jake
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Coleman
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Jake,
I don’t think I am usually as aggressive as you, I am guessing, but –
(these are on distance races) I normally start out with an A sail on a
headsail tack shackle– if the wind comes back, and I believe it will stay back,
I will put the pole on the A sail tack and pop the bow shackle, then pull the
pole back. If it goes back to a close reach, the pole usually ends up on the
headstay pulled down hard. I have re-attached the pennant to get rid of the
pole, but usually not, as it keeps the tack a little more to windward.
In anything but mostly downwind, I think the Asymmetrical has a better
shape for broad reaching than a big bubble.
Unfortunately around here, regular spinnaker races are windward leeward
because it is run by the people with the newer light boats, and then we have to
use a regular symmetrical chute.
I would like to have at least an anchor roller to attach the asymmetrical
to, because I have run into problems with the chute wrapping around the
headstay. It would be REALLY good to get it away from the headstay. Did I
mention that the headstay is a problem with Asymmetricals?
Regarding the sissy socks, I have a VF Shaw Chute Scoop sock, it can be
really handy when things get ugly and you are short handed.
I am also tempted by the newer roller furlers, but they are pricy.
Also jibing can run into problems. This takes practice. There are several
articles on this. We still occasionally screw this up. I would rather douse
it and re-set it, because, percentage-wise, it would put me in the positive.
Keep in mind, these are distance races, and we have but a few crew
Bill Coleman
C&C 39
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