On the Chesapeake, that boat is rated 174, including the prop. Chesapeake
considers the prop as standard. There's no adjustment for hank-on sails. The
asym sail (spinnaker?) is rated depending on its size, it may call for a 3
second decrease in the PHRF number, but it depends on where it is attached
(bow or pole) and how big it is.
My regular spinnaker flown from a pole is included in that rating (pole is
13.5 feet long (standard) and the foot is 1.8 times the J measurement (13.5)
which is over 24 feet).
Most of the regions I have researched have that 174 number for a 30-1.
Gary Nylander
1980 30-1 #593
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis" <cpt.b...@gmail.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
So where can I find the rating for 1981 C&C 30 MK1 All Hank on sails,
folding 2 blade prop with asy sail. PHRF?
On 2/8/13, Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote:
Back in the late 70's or early 80's when PHRF was picking up speed in the
PNW (IOR was the dominant rule at the time) it was referred to as
Political
Handicap Rating.
If you want to see how little PHRFNW has progressed in nearly 40 years
check
out the Sailing Anarchy discussion on PHRFNW's unilateral and substantial
increase in <0 ratings.
I do not have a bone in the fight as Calypso is nowhere close to being a
sub
zero rated boat, in fact I rarely ever consider the class ratings when we
race the boat as it is not kept in competitive condition. We budget our
sailing cost vs. fun ratio in a way that keeps us from buying new sails
and
polishing the bottom paint.
Having said all that PHRF generally allows very different boats to sail
against each other. I do find it funny to be rated similar to a Soveral
33
(+-6,000lbs) or owe time to a <10 year old planning hull design that runs
laps around a C&C 43 in light air. I do get even with the sporty boats
when
in a low speed close crossing/mark rounding situation I inform the sporty
boat that they will need a liferaft before a protest flag if they stick
their bow into that closing space.
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
________________________________
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
C.
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Sucks only if you're not in with the handicap committee. If you've got
contacts on the rating committee and you own a boat that is one of a kind
in
your area, you're golden. That's why I call PHRF racing a "contact" sport.
End of rant.
Dennis C.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Colin Kilgour
<charliekilo...@gmail.com<mailto:charliekilo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Man.... just skimming all this discussion makes it increasingly clear
while
sailboat racing is in decline.
I've certainly got more than my share of racing trophies on the wall (both
handicap and one-design) but this handicap stuff really sucks the soul out
of the sport (IMO, of course)
Cheers,
Colin
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Bill Coleman
<colt...@verizon.net<mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> wrote:
C&C 39
99
2283
16.9
51.1
45.2
12.7
39.5
32
11.3
6.3
16000
C&C 39 CUS1
99
2277
16.9
51.1
45.2
12.7
39.3
32
11.1
6.3
16000
C&C 39 CUS2
99
2300
16.9
51
45.5
14.4
39.5
32
11.3
6.3
16000
C&C 39 CUS3
99
2303
16.9
52.1
46
14.1
39.5
31.7
11.5
6.3
0
99. These are our ratings up on the frozen north. I imagine at least 2
of these are not around anymore, all these 4 ratings have modifications,
from keels to spars.
I am probably the cus3, I got docked 6 seconds for adding a foot to my
boom
and a Roach Which, I might add was worth it.
BTW, that 16000 should be 21000. Which would probably bring these ratings
to
110.
Bill Coleman
--
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to
change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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