Have you asked the developer to provide an option?
>From my experience is that parinfer is weird for the first 5 mins. Then it gets less confusing than trying to work out why the indentation is wrong. In paren mode, it does allow adding and removing brackets also. Phil "'Lee' via Clojure" <clojure@googlegroups.com> writes: > Alas, current Nightcode forces use of parinfer, unless something has > changed very recently. > > Previous versions of Nightcode met all of my requirements and I used them > for teaching, and liked it quite a lot. > > But parinfer is a problem. One of my requirements is that the editor acts > mostly like a normal text editor, aside from bracket matching and > user-triggered re-indentation. Auto-insertion of closing brackets is okay > too, if they can be erased. My students know how to type and to cut and > paste text, and I want them to be able to rely on those skills working as > they expect them to work as they learn to program. I've seen parinfer > confuse and frustrate some of my students, and it also happens to clash > badly with my own ways of editing code. > > -Lee > > > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 4:36:33 PM UTC-4, Erik Assum wrote: >> >> Have you had a look at Nightcode? >> https://sekao.net/nightcode/ >> >> Erik. >> -- >> i farta >> >> 27. aug. 2018 kl. 22:00 skrev Nando Breiter <na...@aria-media.com >> <javascript:>>: >> >> Lee, >> >> Perhaps https://atom.io/packages/atom-beautify will do what you want. >> >> With Parinfer disabled, I can select and shift-tab all code to the left >> margin, removing all indentation. Then when I run Atom Beautify on the >> file, all indentation is restored. >> >> >> >> Aria Media Sagl >> +41 (0)76 303 4477 cell >> skype: ariamedia >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:18 PM, 'Lee' via Clojure < >> clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> >>> Ah -- thank you! >>> >>> Now I can re-indent in Cursive, although it doesn't do the right thing >>> after defn, etc. What do Cursive users do to get standard indentation? >>> >>> Playing a bit more I see some other with basic editing, even in >>> "Structural Off" mode. Like if you type "(defn foo" and hit return, then >>> foo changes into some strange autocompleted symbol. Shift-return avoids >>> this, but the idea is to let people use their pre-existing typing skills. >>> It also won't let you delete to the left of the indentation point (it jumps >>> you up to the previous line), etc. I'm not sure how problematic these >>> issues would be. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 3:01:37 PM UTC-4, ri...@chartbeat.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It’s under one of the code or refactor menus, you can auto-format or >>>> auto-indent. >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:30 AM, 'Lee' via Clojure <clo...@googlegroups.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Probably true that my requirements are a bigger challenge for >>>> multi-language IDEs. I thought Eclipse/Counterclockwise did a reasonable >>>> job of it back when that was an active project, but it was a bit rough >>>> too, >>>> since there was a lot of incidental and distracting complexity in dealing >>>> with Eclipse in general. >>>> >>>> I did see the "off" setting for parinfer/paredit in Cursive, but it's >>>> not really "off" in the sense of behaving like a normal text editor, and I >>>> don't see re-indentation anywhere. FWIW since this is for teaching I'm not >>>> really interested in customization, just reasonable behavior out of the >>>> box. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:21:47 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, I actually just create projects with lein. If you right click on >>>>> a project.clj you can just fire up a repl via lein and it works really >>>>> well. There's 3 choices for parenthesis, there's again a little button on >>>>> the bottom right to switch between parinfer/paredit and off. You can >>>>> customize all of the code reformatting and you can even alias things like >>>>> defnp and other macros to evaluate correctly. >>>>> >>>>> That said, a tool that supports dozens of languages isn't going to do >>>>> any of them particularly easily :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM 'Lee' via Clojure < >>>>> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Rick. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just tried Cursive again but it still seems to fail pretty badly on >>>>>> newbie setup and usability, which is what has hung me up in the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> tldr: A half hour or so after a fresh install and going through the >>>>>> Getting Started instructions I still don't have a REPL (confused about >>>>>> Run >>>>>> Configurations and what I'm seeing doesn't match the website pics), and >>>>>> although I can edit code in an existing project with drag and drop >>>>>> (can't >>>>>> yet create a project with a core.clj), even the "Structural Off" editing >>>>>> mode behaves oddly and doesn't appear to support structure-aware >>>>>> re-indentation (again, unless I'm missing it). And the indentation that >>>>>> it >>>>>> prefers after a newline appears to be non-standard (e.g. after "(defn >>>>>> foo"). >>>>>> >>>>>> I follow the Cursive mailing list and I know that a lot of people find >>>>>> it to be a wonderful tool, but I don't think it meets my requirements. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find intellij + cursive to be pretty darn easy to use, and the repl >>>>>>> has an option to turn off parinfer. That said, I'm not a beginner. The >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> drawback that I can think of other than price is that the clojure >>>>>>> functionality is mostly put under a single menu and it's sometimes >>>>>>> awkward >>>>>>> to navigate to subcommands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:48 AM Alex Miller <al...@puredanger.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think Atom and VSCode are probably the two additional ones you >>>>>>>> might want to look into? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:45:34 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is my roughly-annual check-in to see if there are new good >>>>>>>>> editing/execution options for me to use in my Clojure teaching and >>>>>>>>> coding. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My requirements are: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Simple installation/setup, even for new programmers, on >>>>>>>>> Mac/Win/Linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Usable by new programmers without significant training or >>>>>>>>> learning curve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Syntax-aware re-indentation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Visual indication of matching brackets (e.g. matching bracket >>>>>>>>> highlighted, or rainbow brackets, etc.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - No required use of paredit or parinfer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bells and whistles that would help but aren't as critical as the >>>>>>>>> requirements listed above: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Access to argument lists, documentation, and symbol completion >>>>>>>>> while typing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Integrated REPL, although a command-line REPL paired with an >>>>>>>>> editor that met the requirements above would work >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be interested in solutions that work for Clojure and >>>>>>>>> Clojurescript, or just Clojure, or just Clojurescript. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Recent developments of which I'm aware but fall short of my >>>>>>>>> requirements: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Nightcode and Lightmod, which would be fabulous if not for the >>>>>>>>> required use of parinfer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Jupyter-based approaches, which also seem great except I see none >>>>>>>>> with syntax-aware re-indentation for Clojure >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FYI what I'm currently using is a combination of Gorilla REPL and >>>>>>>>> leiningen at the command line. This is quite nice although >>>>>>>>> installation/setup is not as easy or foolproof as I would like (I've >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> students who tried and failed to get it working on their Windows >>>>>>>>> laptops >>>>>>>>> for an entire semester, messing with Java versions etc.), Gorilla >>>>>>>>> REPL is >>>>>>>>> not very actively maintained, and the requirement to do some things >>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>> command line isn't ideal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Options I've used in the past, which more-or-less met my >>>>>>>>> requirements but are no longer viable, include Clooj, Nightcode (old >>>>>>>>> versions, before parinfer), and Counterclockwise. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also try to keep an eye on "high-end" IDEs like Emacs and >>>>>>>>> Cursive, but so far haven't found any that really meet my >>>>>>>>> requirements for >>>>>>>>> simple installation/setup and usability for beginners. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any pointers would be very much appreciated! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Lee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Lee Spector, Professor of Computer Science >>>>>>>>> Director, Institute for Computational Intelligence >>>>>>>>> Hampshire College, Amherst, Massachusetts, 01002, USA >>>>>>>>> lspe...@hampshire.edu, http://hampshire.edu/lspector/, 413-559-5352 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>>>>> with your first post. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>>> with your first post. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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