Probably true that my requirements are a bigger challenge for multi-language IDEs. I thought Eclipse/Counterclockwise did a reasonable job of it back when that was an active project, but it was a bit rough too, since there was a lot of incidental and distracting complexity in dealing with Eclipse in general.
I did see the "off" setting for parinfer/paredit in Cursive, but it's not really "off" in the sense of behaving like a normal text editor, and I don't see re-indentation anywhere. FWIW since this is for teaching I'm not really interested in customization, just reasonable behavior out of the box. On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:21:47 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: > > Yeah, I actually just create projects with lein. If you right click on a > project.clj you can just fire up a repl via lein and it works really well. > There's 3 choices for parenthesis, there's again a little button on the > bottom right to switch between parinfer/paredit and off. You can customize > all of the code reformatting and you can even alias things like defnp and > other macros to evaluate correctly. > > That said, a tool that supports dozens of languages isn't going to do any > of them particularly easily :) > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM 'Lee' via Clojure < > clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Thanks Rick. >> >> Just tried Cursive again but it still seems to fail pretty badly on >> newbie setup and usability, which is what has hung me up in the past. >> >> tldr: A half hour or so after a fresh install and going through the >> Getting Started instructions I still don't have a REPL (confused about Run >> Configurations and what I'm seeing doesn't match the website pics), and >> although I can edit code in an existing project with drag and drop (can't >> yet create a project with a core.clj), even the "Structural Off" editing >> mode behaves oddly and doesn't appear to support structure-aware >> re-indentation (again, unless I'm missing it). And the indentation that it >> prefers after a newline appears to be non-standard (e.g. after "(defn foo"). >> >> I follow the Cursive mailing list and I know that a lot of people find it >> to be a wonderful tool, but I don't think it meets my requirements. >> >> -Lee >> >> >> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>> >>> I find intellij + cursive to be pretty darn easy to use, and the repl >>> has an option to turn off parinfer. That said, I'm not a beginner. The only >>> drawback that I can think of other than price is that the clojure >>> functionality is mostly put under a single menu and it's sometimes awkward >>> to navigate to subcommands. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:48 AM Alex Miller <al...@puredanger.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think Atom and VSCode are probably the two additional ones you might >>>> want to look into? >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:45:34 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is my roughly-annual check-in to see if there are new good >>>>> editing/execution options for me to use in my Clojure teaching and coding. >>>>> >>>>> My requirements are: >>>>> >>>>> - Simple installation/setup, even for new programmers, on Mac/Win/Linux >>>>> >>>>> - Usable by new programmers without significant training or learning >>>>> curve >>>>> >>>>> - Syntax-aware re-indentation >>>>> >>>>> - Visual indication of matching brackets (e.g. matching bracket >>>>> highlighted, or rainbow brackets, etc.) >>>>> >>>>> - No required use of paredit or parinfer >>>>> >>>>> Bells and whistles that would help but aren't as critical as the >>>>> requirements listed above: >>>>> >>>>> - Access to argument lists, documentation, and symbol completion while >>>>> typing >>>>> >>>>> - Integrated REPL, although a command-line REPL paired with an editor >>>>> that met the requirements above would work >>>>> >>>>> I would be interested in solutions that work for Clojure and >>>>> Clojurescript, or just Clojure, or just Clojurescript. >>>>> >>>>> Recent developments of which I'm aware but fall short of my >>>>> requirements: >>>>> >>>>> - Nightcode and Lightmod, which would be fabulous if not for the >>>>> required use of parinfer >>>>> >>>>> - Jupyter-based approaches, which also seem great except I see none >>>>> with syntax-aware re-indentation for Clojure >>>>> >>>>> FYI what I'm currently using is a combination of Gorilla REPL and >>>>> leiningen at the command line. This is quite nice although >>>>> installation/setup is not as easy or foolproof as I would like (I've had >>>>> students who tried and failed to get it working on their Windows laptops >>>>> for an entire semester, messing with Java versions etc.), Gorilla REPL is >>>>> not very actively maintained, and the requirement to do some things at >>>>> the >>>>> command line isn't ideal. >>>>> >>>>> Options I've used in the past, which more-or-less met my requirements >>>>> but are no longer viable, include Clooj, Nightcode (old versions, before >>>>> parinfer), and Counterclockwise. >>>>> >>>>> I also try to keep an eye on "high-end" IDEs like Emacs and Cursive, >>>>> but so far haven't found any that really meet my requirements for simple >>>>> installation/setup and usability for beginners. >>>>> >>>>> Any pointers would be very much appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> -Lee >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Lee Spector, Professor of Computer Science >>>>> Director, Institute for Computational Intelligence >>>>> Hampshire College, Amherst, Massachusetts, 01002, USA >>>>> lspe...@hampshire.edu, http://hampshire.edu/lspector/, 413-559-5352 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:> >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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