Ah -- after quitting and restarting Atom the error (which I was getting from Start REPL), the error is gone, and it appears to work nicely.
Thanks again! So Atom + atom-beautify + proto-repl might do much of what I need, with relatively painless installation and setup. I guess this still requires leiningen, both because proto-repl uses it and because students will have to use it to make new projects, right? Installing leiningen has been problematic for some of my students (especially on Windows), and it'd be great to be able to avoid that (as is possible with Nightcode, for example, although that won't work for me because of parinfer). In any event, even I'm using proto-repl, the minimal setup with Atom would still require leiningen, right? -Lee On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:15:37 PM UTC-4, Nando Breiter wrote: > > Not sure what errors you are seeing. I’ve found proto-repl to be reliable. > If I recall correctly, the project you are using proto-repl with has to be > the topmost. I will check this for you. > > Aria Media Sagl > > On 27 Aug 2018, at 22:51, 'Lee' via Clojure <clo...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > Aha -- atom-beautify does seem to work! > > Excellent. > > This will lead me to consider Atom further. > > Would you recommend it for editing only, or also for REPLs etc? I just > tried proto-repl but this leads to errors and confusion. Still, if it works > well as just an editor then perhaps I could pair it with a CLI-based REPL > and the overall setup experience and usability will be okay overall. > > Thanks! > > -Lee > > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 4:00:34 PM UTC-4, Nando Breiter wrote: >> >> Lee, >> >> Perhaps https://atom.io/packages/atom-beautify will do what you want. >> >> With Parinfer disabled, I can select and shift-tab all code to the left >> margin, removing all indentation. Then when I run Atom Beautify on the >> file, all indentation is restored. >> >> >> >> Aria Media Sagl >> +41 (0)76 303 4477 cell >> skype: ariamedia >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:18 PM, 'Lee' via Clojure < >> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Ah -- thank you! >>> >>> Now I can re-indent in Cursive, although it doesn't do the right thing >>> after defn, etc. What do Cursive users do to get standard indentation? >>> >>> Playing a bit more I see some other with basic editing, even in >>> "Structural Off" mode. Like if you type "(defn foo" and hit return, then >>> foo changes into some strange autocompleted symbol. Shift-return avoids >>> this, but the idea is to let people use their pre-existing typing skills. >>> It also won't let you delete to the left of the indentation point (it jumps >>> you up to the previous line), etc. I'm not sure how problematic these >>> issues would be. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 3:01:37 PM UTC-4, ri...@chartbeat.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It’s under one of the code or refactor menus, you can auto-format or >>>> auto-indent. >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:30 AM, 'Lee' via Clojure < >>>> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Probably true that my requirements are a bigger challenge for >>>> multi-language IDEs. I thought Eclipse/Counterclockwise did a reasonable >>>> job of it back when that was an active project, but it was a bit rough >>>> too, >>>> since there was a lot of incidental and distracting complexity in dealing >>>> with Eclipse in general. >>>> >>>> I did see the "off" setting for parinfer/paredit in Cursive, but it's >>>> not really "off" in the sense of behaving like a normal text editor, and I >>>> don't see re-indentation anywhere. FWIW since this is for teaching I'm not >>>> really interested in customization, just reasonable behavior out of the >>>> box. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:21:47 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, I actually just create projects with lein. If you right click on >>>>> a project.clj you can just fire up a repl via lein and it works really >>>>> well. There's 3 choices for parenthesis, there's again a little button on >>>>> the bottom right to switch between parinfer/paredit and off. You can >>>>> customize all of the code reformatting and you can even alias things like >>>>> defnp and other macros to evaluate correctly. >>>>> >>>>> That said, a tool that supports dozens of languages isn't going to do >>>>> any of them particularly easily :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM 'Lee' via Clojure < >>>>> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Rick. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just tried Cursive again but it still seems to fail pretty badly on >>>>>> newbie setup and usability, which is what has hung me up in the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> tldr: A half hour or so after a fresh install and going through the >>>>>> Getting Started instructions I still don't have a REPL (confused about >>>>>> Run >>>>>> Configurations and what I'm seeing doesn't match the website pics), and >>>>>> although I can edit code in an existing project with drag and drop >>>>>> (can't >>>>>> yet create a project with a core.clj), even the "Structural Off" editing >>>>>> mode behaves oddly and doesn't appear to support structure-aware >>>>>> re-indentation (again, unless I'm missing it). And the indentation that >>>>>> it >>>>>> prefers after a newline appears to be non-standard (e.g. after "(defn >>>>>> foo"). >>>>>> >>>>>> I follow the Cursive mailing list and I know that a lot of people >>>>>> find it to be a wonderful tool, but I don't think it meets my >>>>>> requirements. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find intellij + cursive to be pretty darn easy to use, and the >>>>>>> repl has an option to turn off parinfer. That said, I'm not a beginner. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> only drawback that I can think of other than price is that the clojure >>>>>>> functionality is mostly put under a single menu and it's sometimes >>>>>>> awkward >>>>>>> to navigate to subcommands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:48 AM Alex Miller <al...@puredanger.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think Atom and VSCode are probably the two additional ones you >>>>>>>> might want to look into? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:45:34 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is my roughly-annual check-in to see if there are new good >>>>>>>>> editing/execution options for me to use in my Clojure teaching and >>>>>>>>> coding. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My requirements are: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Simple installation/setup, even for new programmers, on >>>>>>>>> Mac/Win/Linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Usable by new programmers without significant training or >>>>>>>>> learning curve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Syntax-aware re-indentation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Visual indication of matching brackets (e.g. matching bracket >>>>>>>>> highlighted, or rainbow brackets, etc.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - No required use of paredit or parinfer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bells and whistles that would help but aren't as critical as the >>>>>>>>> requirements listed above: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Access to argument lists, documentation, and symbol completion >>>>>>>>> while typing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Integrated REPL, although a command-line REPL paired with an >>>>>>>>> editor that met the requirements above would work >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be interested in solutions that work for Clojure and >>>>>>>>> Clojurescript, or just Clojure, or just Clojurescript. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Recent developments of which I'm aware but fall short of my >>>>>>>>> requirements: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Nightcode and Lightmod, which would be fabulous if not for the >>>>>>>>> required use of parinfer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Jupyter-based approaches, which also seem great except I see >>>>>>>>> none with syntax-aware re-indentation for Clojure >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FYI what I'm currently using is a combination of Gorilla REPL and >>>>>>>>> leiningen at the command line. This is quite nice although >>>>>>>>> installation/setup is not as easy or foolproof as I would like (I've >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> students who tried and failed to get it working on their Windows >>>>>>>>> laptops >>>>>>>>> for an entire semester, messing with Java versions etc.), Gorilla >>>>>>>>> REPL is >>>>>>>>> not very actively maintained, and the requirement to do some things >>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>> command line isn't ideal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Options I've used in the past, which more-or-less met my >>>>>>>>> requirements but are no longer viable, include Clooj, Nightcode (old >>>>>>>>> versions, before parinfer), and Counterclockwise. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also try to keep an eye on "high-end" IDEs like Emacs and >>>>>>>>> Cursive, but so far haven't found any that really meet my >>>>>>>>> requirements for >>>>>>>>> simple installation/setup and usability for beginners. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any pointers would be very much appreciated! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Lee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Lee Spector, Professor of Computer Science >>>>>>>>> Director, Institute for Computational Intelligence >>>>>>>>> Hampshire College, Amherst, Massachusetts, 01002, USA >>>>>>>>> lspe...@hampshire.edu, http://hampshire.edu/lspector/, >>>>>>>>> 413-559-5352 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - 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