https://chocolatey.org/ might help Windows users install Leiningen
https://chocolatey.org/packages/lein The proto-repl readme: https://github.com/jasongilman/proto-repl says that "Proto REPL can still start a REPL outside of a Leiningen project. It still uses Leiningen to start the REPL but uses a default project shipped with Proto REPL. This allows you to easily open up any Clojure file or even just a new Atom window and kick off a new REPL for experimenting." >From the readme dependencies section, it doesn't *seem* to be explicitly dependent on lein, but rather on some means of creating a project and managing dependencies. I'd suggest asking Jason on the #protorepl Slack channel to clear this up for you, see http://clojurians.net/ if you have not yet joined clojurians on Slack. If you think https://clojure.org/guides/deps_and_cli would be easier for some of your students, proto-repl might work just as well with this means of managing project dependencies. Perhaps Jason simply hasn't updated the proto-repl readme yet. That said, it seems CLI tools are not available on Windows yet: https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started#_installation_on_windows Aria Media Sagl +41 (0)76 303 4477 cell skype: ariamedia On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 12:03 AM, 'Lee' via Clojure < clojure@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Ah -- after quitting and restarting Atom the error (which I was getting > from Start REPL), the error is gone, and it appears to work nicely. > > Thanks again! > > So Atom + atom-beautify + proto-repl might do much of what I need, with > relatively painless installation and setup. > > I guess this still requires leiningen, both because proto-repl uses it and > because students will have to use it to make new projects, right? > Installing leiningen has been problematic for some of my students > (especially on Windows), and it'd be great to be able to avoid that (as is > possible with Nightcode, for example, although that won't work for me > because of parinfer). In any event, even I'm using proto-repl, the minimal > setup with Atom would still require leiningen, right? > > -Lee > > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:15:37 PM UTC-4, Nando Breiter wrote: >> >> Not sure what errors you are seeing. I’ve found proto-repl to be >> reliable. If I recall correctly, the project you are using proto-repl with >> has to be the topmost. I will check this for you. >> >> Aria Media Sagl >> >> On 27 Aug 2018, at 22:51, 'Lee' via Clojure <clo...@googlegroups.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Aha -- atom-beautify does seem to work! >> >> Excellent. >> >> This will lead me to consider Atom further. >> >> Would you recommend it for editing only, or also for REPLs etc? I just >> tried proto-repl but this leads to errors and confusion. Still, if it works >> well as just an editor then perhaps I could pair it with a CLI-based REPL >> and the overall setup experience and usability will be okay overall. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Lee >> >> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 4:00:34 PM UTC-4, Nando Breiter wrote: >>> >>> Lee, >>> >>> Perhaps https://atom.io/packages/atom-beautify will do what you want. >>> >>> With Parinfer disabled, I can select and shift-tab all code to the left >>> margin, removing all indentation. Then when I run Atom Beautify on the >>> file, all indentation is restored. >>> >>> >>> >>> Aria Media Sagl >>> +41 (0)76 303 4477 cell >>> skype: ariamedia >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:18 PM, 'Lee' via Clojure < >>> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Ah -- thank you! >>>> >>>> Now I can re-indent in Cursive, although it doesn't do the right thing >>>> after defn, etc. What do Cursive users do to get standard indentation? >>>> >>>> Playing a bit more I see some other with basic editing, even in >>>> "Structural Off" mode. Like if you type "(defn foo" and hit return, then >>>> foo changes into some strange autocompleted symbol. Shift-return avoids >>>> this, but the idea is to let people use their pre-existing typing skills. >>>> It also won't let you delete to the left of the indentation point (it jumps >>>> you up to the previous line), etc. I'm not sure how problematic these >>>> issues would be. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 3:01:37 PM UTC-4, ri...@chartbeat.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s under one of the code or refactor menus, you can auto-format or >>>>> auto-indent. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:30 AM, 'Lee' via Clojure < >>>>> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Probably true that my requirements are a bigger challenge for >>>>> multi-language IDEs. I thought Eclipse/Counterclockwise did a reasonable >>>>> job of it back when that was an active project, but it was a bit rough >>>>> too, >>>>> since there was a lot of incidental and distracting complexity in dealing >>>>> with Eclipse in general. >>>>> >>>>> I did see the "off" setting for parinfer/paredit in Cursive, but it's >>>>> not really "off" in the sense of behaving like a normal text editor, and I >>>>> don't see re-indentation anywhere. FWIW since this is for teaching I'm not >>>>> really interested in customization, just reasonable behavior out of the >>>>> box. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:21:47 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I actually just create projects with lein. If you right click >>>>>> on a project.clj you can just fire up a repl via lein and it works really >>>>>> well. There's 3 choices for parenthesis, there's again a little button on >>>>>> the bottom right to switch between parinfer/paredit and off. You can >>>>>> customize all of the code reformatting and you can even alias things like >>>>>> defnp and other macros to evaluate correctly. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, a tool that supports dozens of languages isn't going to do >>>>>> any of them particularly easily :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM 'Lee' via Clojure < >>>>>> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Rick. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just tried Cursive again but it still seems to fail pretty badly on >>>>>>> newbie setup and usability, which is what has hung me up in the past. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tldr: A half hour or so after a fresh install and going through the >>>>>>> Getting Started instructions I still don't have a REPL (confused about >>>>>>> Run >>>>>>> Configurations and what I'm seeing doesn't match the website pics), and >>>>>>> although I can edit code in an existing project with drag and drop >>>>>>> (can't >>>>>>> yet create a project with a core.clj), even the "Structural Off" editing >>>>>>> mode behaves oddly and doesn't appear to support structure-aware >>>>>>> re-indentation (again, unless I'm missing it). And the indentation that >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> prefers after a newline appears to be non-standard (e.g. after "(defn >>>>>>> foo"). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I follow the Cursive mailing list and I know that a lot of people >>>>>>> find it to be a wonderful tool, but I don't think it meets my >>>>>>> requirements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Lee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I find intellij + cursive to be pretty darn easy to use, and the >>>>>>>> repl has an option to turn off parinfer. That said, I'm not a >>>>>>>> beginner. The >>>>>>>> only drawback that I can think of other than price is that the clojure >>>>>>>> functionality is mostly put under a single menu and it's sometimes >>>>>>>> awkward >>>>>>>> to navigate to subcommands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:48 AM Alex Miller <al...@puredanger.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think Atom and VSCode are probably the two additional ones you >>>>>>>>> might want to look into? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:45:34 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is my roughly-annual check-in to see if there are new good >>>>>>>>>> editing/execution options for me to use in my Clojure teaching and >>>>>>>>>> coding. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My requirements are: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Simple installation/setup, even for new programmers, on >>>>>>>>>> Mac/Win/Linux >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Usable by new programmers without significant training or >>>>>>>>>> learning curve >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Syntax-aware re-indentation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Visual indication of matching brackets (e.g. matching bracket >>>>>>>>>> highlighted, or rainbow brackets, etc.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - No required use of paredit or parinfer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bells and whistles that would help but aren't as critical as the >>>>>>>>>> requirements listed above: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Access to argument lists, documentation, and symbol completion >>>>>>>>>> while typing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Integrated REPL, although a command-line REPL paired with an >>>>>>>>>> editor that met the requirements above would work >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in solutions that work for Clojure and >>>>>>>>>> Clojurescript, or just Clojure, or just Clojurescript. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Recent developments of which I'm aware but fall short of my >>>>>>>>>> requirements: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Nightcode and Lightmod, which would be fabulous if not for the >>>>>>>>>> required use of parinfer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Jupyter-based approaches, which also seem great except I see >>>>>>>>>> none with syntax-aware re-indentation for Clojure >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FYI what I'm currently using is a combination of Gorilla REPL and >>>>>>>>>> leiningen at the command line. This is quite nice although >>>>>>>>>> installation/setup is not as easy or foolproof as I would like (I've >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> students who tried and failed to get it working on their Windows >>>>>>>>>> laptops >>>>>>>>>> for an entire semester, messing with Java versions etc.), Gorilla >>>>>>>>>> REPL is >>>>>>>>>> not very actively maintained, and the requirement to do some things >>>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>>> command line isn't ideal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Options I've used in the past, which more-or-less met my >>>>>>>>>> requirements but are no longer viable, include Clooj, Nightcode (old >>>>>>>>>> versions, before parinfer), and Counterclockwise. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also try to keep an eye on "high-end" IDEs like Emacs and >>>>>>>>>> Cursive, but so far haven't found any that really meet my >>>>>>>>>> requirements for >>>>>>>>>> simple installation/setup and usability for beginners. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any pointers would be very much appreciated! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Lee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Lee Spector, Professor of Computer Science >>>>>>>>>> Director, Institute for Computational Intelligence >>>>>>>>>> Hampshire College, Amherst, Massachusetts, 01002, USA >>>>>>>>>> lspe...@hampshire.edu, http://hampshire.edu/lspector/, >>>>>>>>>> 413-559-5352 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - 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