Ah -- thank you! Now I can re-indent in Cursive, although it doesn't do the right thing after defn, etc. What do Cursive users do to get standard indentation?
Playing a bit more I see some other with basic editing, even in "Structural Off" mode. Like if you type "(defn foo" and hit return, then foo changes into some strange autocompleted symbol. Shift-return avoids this, but the idea is to let people use their pre-existing typing skills. It also won't let you delete to the left of the indentation point (it jumps you up to the previous line), etc. I'm not sure how problematic these issues would be. On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 3:01:37 PM UTC-4, ri...@chartbeat.com wrote: > > It’s under one of the code or refactor menus, you can auto-format or > auto-indent. > > On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:30 AM, 'Lee' via Clojure <clo...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > Probably true that my requirements are a bigger challenge for > multi-language IDEs. I thought Eclipse/Counterclockwise did a reasonable > job of it back when that was an active project, but it was a bit rough too, > since there was a lot of incidental and distracting complexity in dealing > with Eclipse in general. > > I did see the "off" setting for parinfer/paredit in Cursive, but it's not > really "off" in the sense of behaving like a normal text editor, and I > don't see re-indentation anywhere. FWIW since this is for teaching I'm not > really interested in customization, just reasonable behavior out of the box. > > > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:21:47 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >> >> Yeah, I actually just create projects with lein. If you right click on a >> project.clj you can just fire up a repl via lein and it works really well. >> There's 3 choices for parenthesis, there's again a little button on the >> bottom right to switch between parinfer/paredit and off. You can customize >> all of the code reformatting and you can even alias things like defnp and >> other macros to evaluate correctly. >> >> That said, a tool that supports dozens of languages isn't going to do any >> of them particularly easily :) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM 'Lee' via Clojure < >> clo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Rick. >>> >>> Just tried Cursive again but it still seems to fail pretty badly on >>> newbie setup and usability, which is what has hung me up in the past. >>> >>> tldr: A half hour or so after a fresh install and going through the >>> Getting Started instructions I still don't have a REPL (confused about Run >>> Configurations and what I'm seeing doesn't match the website pics), and >>> although I can edit code in an existing project with drag and drop (can't >>> yet create a project with a core.clj), even the "Structural Off" editing >>> mode behaves oddly and doesn't appear to support structure-aware >>> re-indentation (again, unless I'm missing it). And the indentation that it >>> prefers after a newline appears to be non-standard (e.g. after "(defn foo"). >>> >>> I follow the Cursive mailing list and I know that a lot of people find >>> it to be a wonderful tool, but I don't think it meets my requirements. >>> >>> -Lee >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote: >>>> >>>> I find intellij + cursive to be pretty darn easy to use, and the repl >>>> has an option to turn off parinfer. That said, I'm not a beginner. The >>>> only >>>> drawback that I can think of other than price is that the clojure >>>> functionality is mostly put under a single menu and it's sometimes awkward >>>> to navigate to subcommands. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 9:48 AM Alex Miller <al...@puredanger.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think Atom and VSCode are probably the two additional ones you might >>>>> want to look into? >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:45:34 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is my roughly-annual check-in to see if there are new good >>>>>> editing/execution options for me to use in my Clojure teaching and >>>>>> coding. >>>>>> >>>>>> My requirements are: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Simple installation/setup, even for new programmers, on >>>>>> Mac/Win/Linux >>>>>> >>>>>> - Usable by new programmers without significant training or learning >>>>>> curve >>>>>> >>>>>> - Syntax-aware re-indentation >>>>>> >>>>>> - Visual indication of matching brackets (e.g. matching bracket >>>>>> highlighted, or rainbow brackets, etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>> - No required use of paredit or parinfer >>>>>> >>>>>> Bells and whistles that would help but aren't as critical as the >>>>>> requirements listed above: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Access to argument lists, documentation, and symbol completion >>>>>> while typing >>>>>> >>>>>> - Integrated REPL, although a command-line REPL paired with an editor >>>>>> that met the requirements above would work >>>>>> >>>>>> I would be interested in solutions that work for Clojure and >>>>>> Clojurescript, or just Clojure, or just Clojurescript. >>>>>> >>>>>> Recent developments of which I'm aware but fall short of my >>>>>> requirements: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Nightcode and Lightmod, which would be fabulous if not for the >>>>>> required use of parinfer >>>>>> >>>>>> - Jupyter-based approaches, which also seem great except I see none >>>>>> with syntax-aware re-indentation for Clojure >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI what I'm currently using is a combination of Gorilla REPL and >>>>>> leiningen at the command line. This is quite nice although >>>>>> installation/setup is not as easy or foolproof as I would like (I've had >>>>>> students who tried and failed to get it working on their Windows laptops >>>>>> for an entire semester, messing with Java versions etc.), Gorilla REPL >>>>>> is >>>>>> not very actively maintained, and the requirement to do some things at >>>>>> the >>>>>> command line isn't ideal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Options I've used in the past, which more-or-less met my requirements >>>>>> but are no longer viable, include Clooj, Nightcode (old versions, before >>>>>> parinfer), and Counterclockwise. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also try to keep an eye on "high-end" IDEs like Emacs and Cursive, >>>>>> but so far haven't found any that really meet my requirements for simple >>>>>> installation/setup and usability for beginners. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any pointers would be very much appreciated! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> -Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Lee Spector, Professor of Computer Science >>>>>> Director, Institute for Computational Intelligence >>>>>> Hampshire College, Amherst, Massachusetts, 01002, USA >>>>>> lspe...@hampshire.edu, http://hampshire.edu/lspector/, 413-559-5352 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>> with your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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