Hi there, all good suggestions to optimize crystals, here are few other things 
to try:
1. Spin down your protein sample in a centrifuge prior to setting up trays to 
remove protein aggregates.2. Incubate trays at lower temperatures (for example 
if crystals grow at RT, try 15 and 4 C).3. Try streak seeding (Hampton Research 
sells a nice seeding tool and provides a protocol).4. Try using an additive 
screen (also available from Hampton Research).
Hope it helps,John

    On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 11:41:33 AM CST, Patrick Shaw Stewart 
<patr...@douglas.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
It is pretty normal (actually, pretty good) to get crystals within 3 days under 
room temperature

Why work with conditions that take 3 days for crystals to grow when you can, 
very likely, find conditions that grow in one day by using seeding ! ?
(I'm simplifying slightly - they may take 3 days to stop growing)

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:00 PM Kevin Jin <kevin...@gmail.com> wrote:

First of all, you need to verify these crystals are protein. To do so, use a 
loop to fish some crystals and take a shot to see the reflection pattern, a 
lazy way!
If they are protein, then start considering the optimization. No matter which 
kind of kits you have used, they are just matrices of different conditions. 
It is pretty normal (actually, pretty good) to get crystals within 3 days under 
room temperature.  The only problem is the xtals grow a little bit fast, 
Notice your condition, protein solubility is not an issue. The only problem is 
the folding force needed to be adjusted. Likely, you need to decrease the total 
salt concentration.
For PEG 8K, you may try 5 ~ 15%, instead of 20~25 %. 
Different polymers, their pH values are different. Based on your protein's 
charge, different  combinations may give you some unexpected results, dynamics 
vs. kinetics process.
Basically, inorganic chemistry + polymer chemistry/physics + solution chemistry 
+ protein chemistry
Good luck with best regards!



On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 6:18 PM 白雪慧 <zb20193020...@cau.edu.cn> wrote:

Thank you very much for your reply to my question on how to optimize 
microcrystal. In response to your suggestions and questions, I would like to 
make the following reply:
First of all, my protein can grow crystals like this one in a variety of 
situations.
For example, other conditions:
1.15% PEG 8000;0.2M MgCl2;0.1M HEPES pH 7.5
2.20% PEG 1500;0.2M MgCl2;0.1M HEPES pH 7.5
3.25% PEG 8000;0.2M NaCl;0.1M NaCaco pH 5.5
4.20% PEG 1e500;0.2M MgCl2;0.1M Tris pH 8.5
Second, my crystals grow within three days, and there is no phosphate in the 
protein solution.
Finally, in fact, I tried crystal inoculation before, but did not find any 
change in crystal shape. Maybe my operation was also wrong. I sucked out the 
crystal, mashed it, diluted it in series, and removed the primary crystal 
condition, and the protein concentration did not change, nor did the 
concentration of the pool liquid change greatly


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