Martin, I thought the point of this policy was that there are jurisdictions in which obtaining the necessary government organizational paperwork was costly/onerous. Given the RIRs are geographic monopolies, the current situation would indeed appear to be discriminatory — if said individuals could ‘vote with their feet’, this wouldn’t be an issue. The fact that one can propose a policy to remedy does not change that fact — it only changes if the policy is accepted.
Regards, -drc > On Jul 12, 2025, at 5:39 PM, Martin Hannigan <[email protected]> wrote: > > ARIN does not have a hard non-discriminatory requirement. This is why > there's a policy process. Which is why we have this proposal. > > I don't believe the problem statement demonstrates a need for a > change. The existing process doesn't "limit access". It sets a > condition. The applicant can adhere to requirements and get resources > as a result. Because there isn't a local requirement to forn an > entity, register or get a business certificate that doesn't > automagically invalidate the ARIN requirement. Comparing to another > RIR isn't relevant; ARIN business processes and obligations are > different and so are community expectations. > > Most importantly, the proposal doesn't identify any actual harm caused > by existing policy. > > +continue to work on > > Warm regards, > > -M< > > > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 2:48 AM jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Noah, >> >> Not accepting this policy will be a discrimination. >> >> The RIRs were created to distribute resources. Never it was a condition that >> the resources are only for organization. Individuals can have business, or >> other needs to have resources and avoid renumbering. In addition to that, in >> the case of IPv6, having your own resources is the only way to properly do >> multihoming, and clearly the world is moving to IPv6. >> >> ARIN, as all the other RIRs, already allocate resources to individuals. The >> problem is that in the case of ARIN this is restricted to individuals that >> “register a business” depending on each region laws. This is easy to handle, >> as I understood, in US nd even Canada. In fact it has been said that in some >> US states, you don’t need to do any registration, so you can get the >> resources from ARIN directly. The problem is that this not necessarily is so >> straightforward (and even costly) in other countries covered by ARIN, so not >> doing so create differences among people depending on where they live, and >> this is not right for a RIR. >> >> The most strict policy text is in LACNIC, but the staff has also confirmed, >> that despite the policy wording, they are distributing resources to >> individuals if they have a business, so in that case, this leaves out >> researchers or other individuals that not having a business have a need for >> multihoming. >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> >> @jordipalet >> >> >> El 11 jul 2025, a las 18:57, Noah <[email protected]> escribió: >> >> Please abandon this policy. >> >> Individuals should register a legally recognized sole proprietor or SME and >> get INR through the process that has stood a taste of time. >> >> Let us resist the need to reduce Regional Internet Registries to this level >> of dealing with individuals. >> >> Cheers, >> ./noah >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, 2:27 am Elizabeth Goodson, >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello PPML, >>> >>> I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're seeking direction >>> from the community as to how the AC should proceed with this policy. There >>> was robust conversation on PPML in late May and early June, which tapered >>> off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was published. >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025 >>> >>> Should we >>> - abandon this policy, >>> - accept this policy as written, or >>> - continue to revise this policy? >>> >>> We appreciate your feedback. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Liz Goodson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> IPv4 is over >> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >> http://www.theipv6company.com >> The IPv6 Company >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >> confidential. 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