I would sell 10g to Joe Walsh.
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> On Mar 27, 2025, at 2:52 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'd finally get the Corvette I always wanted. 🙂
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett
> <af...@ics-il.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2025 3:29 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> I think the difference is *CAN* do 185 vs. a government mandate that all cars
> go 185.
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> From: "Chuck" <ch...@go-mtc.com>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
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> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2025 2:27:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> Does anyone need a car that will do 185?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 27, 2025, at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Don't forget porn. High res porn is all the rage.
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> bp
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> On 3/27/2025 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
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> We should also be careful about assuming that broadband speeds will continue
> to increase just because the graph says so. You’ve got to ask what is driving
> the increase from 4 to 25 to 100 and what applications will require 200, 500,
> 1000, 1000, 5000? CPU speed hit a plateau, for a while it was number of
> cores, then we discovered GPUs. Supersonic passenger planes didn’t become
> mainstream, nor did bullet trains (at least in this country). 8K video
> fizzled because you have to sit 2 feet away or have a >100 ft screen to tell
> the difference.
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> I would argue that the current belief that you just can’t live without 100
> Mbps to gigabit Internet comes from several factors.
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> - 4K streaming (but 8K ain’t happening)
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> - inefficient use of bandwidth, CDNs bursting several seconds of video at a
> time because it’s more efficient for their servers
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> - gamers downloading 150 GB game software
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> - everybody in the family watching their own video
>
> - advertising by big ISPs
>
> - “decoy effect”, where they price medium speed to convince you to just get
> the highest speed
>
> - people signing up for gigabit Internet but never really using more then
> 50-100 Mbps except to run speedtests
>
> - self fulfilling prophecy as government declares 100 Mbps to be the minimum
> to be called broadband (I’m seeing IT depts adopt this for remote workers)
>
>
>
> So what applications will drive multigigabit Internet to be essential going
> forward? Not sure all the hype about AI justifies that. Video resolution has
> probably hit a plateau, everybody in the family is already streaming their
> own content, and Gen. Z and beyond are into short form video like YouTube and
> TikTok not movies and TV shows.
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> The only thing I see on the list is game software size. Since they don’t even
> try to distribute it on physical media anymore, the sky’s the limit.
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> But the idea that someone will need multigigabit Internet to work from home
> on a Teams video call is just silly, you can do it all day long in 2.5 Mbps
> symmetric. And the visions of people accessing telehealth with it or the
> metaverse and VR, those people are dreaming. People use the Internet for
> streaming video, gaming, and some people work from home. If they are going to
> focus on more “speed”, I’d say upstream speed is where people might need more.
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> Nobody wants to look like a dummy by questioning the trend line. But then,
> where’s my flying car?
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> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2025 9:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> first,cancel bead, that's the right solution.
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> I'd be more pissed if they paid for just cpe, since they're paying everybody
> else just for passing.
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> this is why government should never subsidize, it messes up natural order.
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> fiber is more sustainable
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> satellite is refunded upgrades
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> fw is a short term bandaid
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> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025, 11:15 AM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
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> Ok. I don't think we're actually very far apart then. If they are going to
> use BEAD funding for satellite only for CPE installs, then would you find
> that acceptable? I don't know if that's what they'll do, but historically
> that's what they did when broadband grants went to satellite services.
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> -Adam
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> From: AF on behalf of Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2025 11:15 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> not at all, I'm saying new infrastructure as in new locations are required as
> new iterations of minimums come out. satellite, being a planned obsolescence
> with scheduled updates allows for the continuous forward path in the same
> footprint.
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> I'm not saying fed dough should go there, I'm saying it shouldn't exist. but
> if it's going anywhere that's not fiber, it shouldn't definetly not go to
> terrestrial FW that won't have a physical footprint capable.
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> it definetly shouldn't be going to 14k access points for 2 customers since it
> will never ROI before end of equipment life, and will require a new handout.
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> terrestrial FW has the shortest shelf life built into the plant lifespan
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> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 7:48 AM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
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> Steve,
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> If you're saying BEAD should help Starlink buy more/newer/better satellites
> then I could at least see a rational argument for that, but those satellites
> are only intended to have a 5-year lifespan, so I don't see how that's any
> different than funding fixed wireless. And historically when they awarded
> grants to satellite it was used to subsidize CPE installation. To me that's a
> copout. It's not building infrastructure; it's just inflating numbers so they
> can go on TV (or Xwitter) and say they provided broadband to twice as many
> people as they actually did.
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> -Adam
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> From: AF on behalf of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2025 10:10 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> Satellite has a planned obsolescence so will maintain cyclical growth, but
> will hit the same hurdles. Still a better placement of fed money than fixed
> wireless, but not the same as fiber
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> On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 6:09 PM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote:
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> OK, I see.
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> BTW, what would you say about satellite?
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> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2025 3:11 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> Can you meet the FCC minimums today, at the same distances as you could when
> the minimums came in? Nope. You would have to get closer to the customer.,
> that means buildout. and when the minimum is inevitably 500 mb, youll
> buildout again, and when its a gig, youll build out again, getting closer and
> closer and closer to the customer each time.
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> Fiber, you just swap some electronics for the most part.
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> On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 10:34 PM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote:
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> I don’t understand why fiber is just some electronics but wireless requires a
> buildout. Aren’t they both just some electronics, but one requires installing
> a long piece of glass, while the other just goes through the air? Or free
> space, as in “free space loss”? The difference in my mind is that you don’t
> need the FCC to sell you spectrum over glass.
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> “You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his
> tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand
> this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they
> receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.”
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> ― Albert Einstein
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> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 10:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> Some of the early multimode was monofilament fishing line. It was not glass.
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> On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:39 PM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote:
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> Not really. Early versions of fiber were much larger diameter.
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> I worked for a company that had implemented fiber internally back in the 80s,
> but could not use it when the fiber got thinner and none of the new
> connectors would work on the old fat stuff.
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> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
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> On 3/23/2025 5:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
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> fiber installed in the 80s is capable of ten gig. the infrastructure stays
> the same as technology grows. when I started in wireless we could serve most
> anybody with good capacity 15 to 20 miles out all day long. fiber is just
> some electronics, wireless requires build outs. not a drop of tax dollar
> should go to that
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> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 1:12 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> wrote:
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> Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G. Should
> these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should have AE so they
> can do 100G to start with.
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> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
> wrote:
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> Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the same
> Infrastructure.
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> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> wrote:
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> But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are sufficiently
> served? How does that make any sense?
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> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
> wrote:
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> they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have allowed
> technology with a short shelf life
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> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
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> Well....
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> https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p
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> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5
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> The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules interpreted the bill to
> mean that only FTTH would meet the performance and future-proofing
> requirements. He is claiming that there are proposed rule changes that will
> allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't know whether the changes
> intentionally benefit Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and felt strongly
> enough about it to resign over it.
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>
> -Adam
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> From: AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: [AFMUG] BEAD
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> I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the E stands for Equity
> and DEI is now banned.
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> But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD?
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