Rest assured Bill. I will never forget porn
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025, 10:59 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't forget porn. High res porn is all the rage.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/27/2025 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We should also be careful about assuming that broadband speeds will
> continue to increase just because the graph says so. You’ve got to ask
> what is driving the increase from 4 to 25 to 100 and what applications will
> require 200, 500, 1000, 1000, 5000? CPU speed hit a plateau, for a while
> it was number of cores, then we discovered GPUs. Supersonic passenger
> planes didn’t become mainstream, nor did bullet trains (at least in this
> country). 8K video fizzled because you have to sit 2 feet away or have a
> >100 ft screen to tell the difference.
>
>
>
> I would argue that the current belief that you just can’t live without 100
> Mbps to gigabit Internet comes from several factors.
>
>
>
> - 4K streaming (but 8K ain’t happening)
>
> - inefficient use of bandwidth, CDNs bursting several seconds of video at
> a time because it’s more efficient for their servers
>
> - gamers downloading 150 GB game software
>
> - everybody in the family watching their own video
>
> - advertising by big ISPs
>
> - “decoy effect”, where they price medium speed to convince you to just
> get the highest speed
>
> - people signing up for gigabit Internet but never really using more then
> 50-100 Mbps except to run speedtests
>
> - self fulfilling prophecy as government declares 100 Mbps to be the
> minimum to be called broadband (I’m seeing IT depts adopt this for remote
> workers)
>
>
>
> So what applications will drive multigigabit Internet to be essential
> going forward? Not sure all the hype about AI justifies that. Video
> resolution has probably hit a plateau, everybody in the family is already
> streaming their own content, and Gen. Z and beyond are into short form
> video like YouTube and TikTok not movies and TV shows.
>
>
>
> The only thing I see on the list is game software size. Since they don’t
> even try to distribute it on physical media anymore, the sky’s the limit.
>
>
>
> But the idea that someone will need multigigabit Internet to work from
> home on a Teams video call is just silly, you can do it all day long in 2.5
> Mbps symmetric. And the visions of people accessing telehealth with it or
> the metaverse and VR, those people are dreaming. People use the Internet
> for streaming video, gaming, and some people work from home. If they are
> going to focus on more “speed”, I’d say upstream speed is where people
> might need more.
>
>
>
> Nobody wants to look like a dummy by questioning the trend line. But
> then, where’s my flying car?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2025 9:49 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> first,cancel bead, that's the right solution.
>
>
>
> I'd be more pissed if they paid for just cpe, since they're paying
> everybody else just for passing.
>
>
>
> this is why government should never subsidize, it messes up natural order.
>
>
>
> fiber is more sustainable
>
>
>
> satellite is refunded upgrades
>
>
>
> fw is a short term bandaid
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025, 11:15 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok. I don't think we're actually very far apart then. If they are going
> to use BEAD funding for satellite only for CPE installs, then would you
> find that acceptable? I don't know if that's what they'll do, but
> historically that's what they did when broadband grants went to satellite
> services.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2025 11:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> not at all, I'm saying new infrastructure as in new locations are required
> as new iterations of minimums come out. satellite, being a planned
> obsolescence with scheduled updates allows for the continuous forward path
> in the same footprint.
>
> I'm not saying fed dough should go there, I'm saying it shouldn't exist.
> but if it's going anywhere that's not fiber, it shouldn't definetly not go
> to terrestrial FW that won't have a physical footprint capable.
>
> it definetly shouldn't be going to 14k access points for 2 customers since
> it will never ROI before end of equipment life, and will require a new
> handout.
>
>
>
> terrestrial FW has the shortest shelf life built into the plant lifespan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 7:48 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> If you're saying BEAD should help Starlink buy more/newer/better
> satellites then I could at least see a rational argument for that, but
> those satellites are only intended to have a 5-year lifespan, so I don't
> see how that's any different than funding fixed wireless. And historically
> when they awarded grants to satellite it was used to subsidize CPE
> installation. To me that's a copout. It's not building infrastructure;
> it's just inflating numbers so they can go on TV (or Xwitter) and say they
> provided broadband to twice as many people as they actually did.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 10:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Satellite has a planned obsolescence so will maintain cyclical growth, but
> will hit the same hurdles. Still a better placement of fed money than fixed
> wireless, but not the same as fiber
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 6:09 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> OK, I see.
>
>
>
> BTW, what would you say about satellite?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 3:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Can you meet the FCC minimums today, at the same distances as you could
> when the minimums came in? Nope. You would have to get closer to the
> customer., that means buildout. and when the minimum is inevitably 500 mb,
> youll buildout again, and when its a gig, youll build out again,
> getting closer and closer and closer to the customer each time.
>
> Fiber, you just swap some electronics for the most part.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 10:34 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why fiber is just some electronics but wireless
> requires a buildout. Aren’t they both just some electronics, but one
> requires installing a long piece of glass, while the other just goes
> through the air? Or free space, as in “free space loss”? The difference
> in my mind is that you don’t need the FCC to sell you spectrum over glass.
>
>
>
> “You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his
> tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand
> this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they
> receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.”
>
> ― *Albert Einstein*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 23, 2025 10:16 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Some of the early multimode was monofilament fishing line. It was not
> glass.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not really. Early versions of fiber were much larger diameter.
>
> I worked for a company that had implemented fiber internally back in the
> 80s, but could not use it when the fiber got thinner and none of the new
> connectors would work on the old fat stuff.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/23/2025 5:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> fiber installed in the 80s is capable of ten gig. the infrastructure stays
> the same as technology grows. when I started in wireless we could serve
> most anybody with good capacity 15 to 20 miles out all day long. fiber is
> just some electronics, wireless requires build outs. not a drop of tax
> dollar should go to that
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 1:12 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G.
> Should these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should have
> AE so they can do 100G to start with.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the same
> Infrastructure.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are sufficiently
> served? How does that make any sense?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have allowed
> technology with a short shelf life
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well....
>
>
>
> https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5
>
>
>
> The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules interpreted the
> bill to mean that only FTTH would meet the performance and future-proofing
> requirements. He is claiming that there are proposed rule changes that
> will allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't know whether the
> changes *intentionally* benefit Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and
> felt strongly enough about it to resign over it.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the E stands for
> Equity and DEI is now banned.
>
>
>
> But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD?
>
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