I’ve actually read articles saying men don’t need women any more
because they prefer porn, especially now with AI. And if they should
decide to try the real thing, they have no skills, porn doesn’t teach
you that.
I remember claims Elon Musk was working on AI robot sex dolls, like
maybe for trips to Mars, but surprise they seem to be fake.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-future-robot-housewife/
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2025 12:08 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
Rest assured Bill. I will never forget porn
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025, 10:59 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't forget porn. High res porn is all the rage.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/27/2025 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
We should also be careful about assuming that broadband speeds
will continue to increase just because the graph says so.
You’ve got to ask what is driving the increase from 4 to 25 to
100 and what applications will require 200, 500, 1000, 1000,
5000? CPU speed hit a plateau, for a while it was number of
cores, then we discovered GPUs. Supersonic passenger planes
didn’t become mainstream, nor did bullet trains (at least in
this country). 8K video fizzled because you have to sit 2
feet away or have a >100 ft screen to tell the difference.
I would argue that the current belief that you just can’t live
without 100 Mbps to gigabit Internet comes from several factors.
- 4K streaming (but 8K ain’t happening)
- inefficient use of bandwidth, CDNs bursting several seconds
of video at a time because it’s more efficient for their servers
- gamers downloading 150 GB game software
- everybody in the family watching their own video
- advertising by big ISPs
- “decoy effect”, where they price medium speed to convince
you to just get the highest speed
- people signing up for gigabit Internet but never really
using more then 50-100 Mbps except to run speedtests
- self fulfilling prophecy as government declares 100 Mbps to
be the minimum to be called broadband (I’m seeing IT depts
adopt this for remote workers)
So what applications will drive multigigabit Internet to be
essential going forward? Not sure all the hype about AI
justifies that. Video resolution has probably hit a plateau,
everybody in the family is already streaming their own
content, and Gen. Z and beyond are into short form video like
YouTube and TikTok not movies and TV shows.
The only thing I see on the list is game software size. Since
they don’t even try to distribute it on physical media
anymore, the sky’s the limit.
But the idea that someone will need multigigabit Internet to
work from home on a Teams video call is just silly, you can do
it all day long in 2.5 Mbps symmetric. And the visions of
people accessing telehealth with it or the metaverse and VR,
those people are dreaming. People use the Internet for
streaming video, gaming, and some people work from home. If
they are going to focus on more “speed”, I’d say upstream
speed is where people might need more.
Nobody wants to look like a dummy by questioning the trend
line. But then, where’s my flying car?
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2025 9:49 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
first,cancel bead, that's the right solution.
I'd be more pissed if they paid for just cpe, since they're
paying everybody else just for passing.
this is why government should never subsidize, it messes up
natural order.
fiber is more sustainable
satellite is refunded upgrades
fw is a short term bandaid
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025, 11:15 AM Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok. I don't think we're actually very far apart then. If
they are going to use BEAD funding for satellite only for CPE
installs, then would you find that acceptable? I don't know
if that's what they'll do, but historically that's what they
did when broadband grants went to satellite services.
-Adam
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*From:* AF on behalf of Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2025 11:15 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
not at all, I'm saying new infrastructure as in new locations
are required as new iterations of minimums come out.
satellite, being a planned obsolescence with scheduled updates
allows for the continuous forward path in the same footprint.
I'm not saying fed dough should go there, I'm saying it
shouldn't exist. but if it's going anywhere that's not fiber,
it shouldn't definetly not go to terrestrial FW that won't
have a physical footprint capable.
it definetly shouldn't be going to 14k access points for 2
customers since it will never ROI before end of equipment
life, and will require a new handout.
terrestrial FW has the shortest shelf life built into the
plant lifespan
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 7:48 AM Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve,
If you're saying BEAD should help Starlink buy
more/newer/better satellites then I could at least see a
rational argument for that, but those satellites are only
intended to have a 5-year lifespan, so I don't see how
that's any different than funding fixed wireless. And
historically when they awarded grants to satellite it was
used to subsidize CPE installation. To me that's a
copout. It's not building infrastructure; it's just
inflating numbers so they can go on TV (or Xwitter) and
say they provided broadband to twice as many people as
they actually did.
-Adam
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*From:* AF on behalf of Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 10:10 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
Satellite has a planned obsolescence so will maintain
cyclical growth, but will hit the same hurdles. Still a
better placement of fed money than fixed wireless, but not
the same as fiber
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 6:09 PM Ken Hohhof
<khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
OK, I see.
BTW, what would you say about satellite?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 3:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
Can you meet the FCC minimums today, at the same
distances as you could when the minimums came in?
Nope. You would have to get closer to the customer.,
that means buildout. and when the minimum is
inevitably 500 mb, youll buildout again, and when
its a gig, youll build out again, getting closer and
closer and closer to the customer each time.
Fiber, you just swap some electronics for the most part.
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 10:34 PM Ken Hohhof
<khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
I don’t understand why fiber is just some
electronics but wireless requires a buildout.
Aren’t they both just some electronics, but one
requires installing a long piece of glass, while
the other just goes through the air? Or free
space, as in “free space loss”? The difference in
my mind is that you don’t need the FCC to sell you
spectrum over glass.
“You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very
long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his
head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand
this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you
send signals here, they receive them there. The
only difference is that there is no cat.”
― *Albert Einstein*
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*Chuck
*Sent:* Sunday, March 23, 2025 10:16 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
Some of the early multimode was monofilament
fishing line. It was not glass.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:39 PM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not really. Early versions of fiber were much
larger diameter.
I worked for a company that had implemented fiber
internally back in the 80s, but could not use it
when the fiber got thinner and none of the new
connectors would work on the old fat stuff.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/23/2025 5:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
fiber installed in the 80s is capable of ten
gig. the infrastructure stays the same as
technology grows. when I started in wireless
we could serve most anybody with good capacity
15 to 20 miles out all day long. fiber is just
some electronics, wireless requires build
outs. not a drop of tax dollar should go to that
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 1:12 PM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Is GPON good enough? That can only do
gigabit and each port is 2.5G. Should
these projects require NGPON? Or maybe
every location should have AE so they can
do 100G to start with.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Because in X years they won't be. With
fiber they will be upon the same
Infrastructure.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
But people that currently have
fixed wireless of 100x20 are
sufficiently served? How does
that make any sense?
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM
Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
they should not allow fixed
wireless, they never should
have allowed technology with a
short shelf life
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at
9:17 AM Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well....
https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5
The director of BEAD
quit. He says the
previous rules interpreted
the bill to mean that only
FTTH would meet the
performance and
future-proofing
requirements. He is
claiming that there are
proposed rule changes that
will allow Starlink but
not allow fixed wireless.
I don't know whether the
changes
/intentionally/ benefit
Starlink, but this guy is
crying foul and felt
strongly enough about it
to resign over it.
-Adam
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*From:* AF on behalf of
Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, March
20, 2025 12:19 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD
I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t
run into problems because
the E stands for Equity
and DEI is now banned.
But if they eliminate the
E, would it just be BAD?
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