"it’s the permitting, engineering, fees to every government entity, paperwork, etc. that you have to pay."
We don't have any permitting or government fees. That's actually prohibited by state regulation. I haven't found the engineering to be that expensive either, even if contracted out. I have found the permitting delays to be a bitch, though. We're like four or five months waiting on the state to get back to us on a permit. The cities are down to about a 1 - 2 week turnaround. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 6:53:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD The extra fiber needed to do AE isn’t a big deal when you are building centralized split architecture in mid to dense population areas, but it becomes pretty cost prohibitive quickly in low density and with NG2-PON on the horizon with the capability of delivering 10G/10G over a 40G capacity PON I don’t see much need for AE anytime soon. Why is is so expensive? Fiber isn’t expensive - it’s the permitting, engineering, fees to every government entity, paperwork, etc. that you have to pay. Mark > On Mar 21, 2025, at 4:49 PM, dbernardi <dberna...@zitomedia.net> wrote: > > > > But the expensive/important part (fiber) is in place. If the gubment is > going to piss away tax dollars for unserved/underserved broadband, fiber > construction seems like a decent urinal. > > XGS-PON can co-exist with GPON on the same fiber so eventual upgrades are > fairly easy. Do combo GPON/XGS-PON at the OLT out of the gate so a CPE swap > is the only thing require for an upgrade to a shared 10Gb service. When > XGS-PON isn't enough bandwidth for the 32 subscribers on a PON, I'd rather > replace equipment at either end than deal with another construction project. > Or do a 1:16 split. > > Preparing for AE when doing the construction is probably worthwhile too even > if you only light for PON initially, or mix/match. The cost of deploying > high count fiber cable isn't that significant in the big picture. > > And why does fiber construction have to be so (artificially?) expensive. Buy > America will certainly make broadband deployments more expensive but that's a > good thing if it truly provides jobs and manufacturing investment, but I have > my doubts. > > > > On 3/21/2025 2:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G. >> Should these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should have AE >> so they can do 100G to start with. >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the >> same Infrastructure. >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> >> wrote: >> But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are >> sufficiently served? How does that make any sense? >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have >> allowed technology with a short shelf life >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett >> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Well.... >> https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/ >> post/3lkiye5n2dk2p <https://bsky.app/profile/ >> craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5 >> <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5> >> The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules >> interpreted the bill to mean that only FTTH would meet >> the performance and future-proofing requirements. He is >> claiming that there are proposed rule changes that will >> allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't >> know whether the changes /intentionally/ benefit >> Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and felt strongly >> enough about it to resign over it. >> -Adam >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD >> I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the >> E stands for Equity and DEI is now banned. >> But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD? >> -- AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http:// >> af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http:// >> af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
