if I hop on 23 and stop at the flashing light I'm in hammettland? On Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 4:20 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> *nods* The number of people who wanted a four-way stop at that > intersection was insane. I think the state put the flashing lights on 23, > which doesn't stop, as opposed to Perry, which is required to stop. I > haven't driven through there lately, but that's what I remember of the > planning document I saw. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 4:08:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD > > In fairness, the state takes 4-5 months (or more) to do everything. > Like the flashing lights at a dangerous intersection just down the road > from you. > Of course, the flashing lights probably won't do anything to stop people > from blowing through the stop sign because they're texting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 4:02 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD > > "it’s the permitting, engineering, fees to every government entity, > paperwork, etc. that you have to pay." > > We don't have any permitting or government fees. That's actually > prohibited by state regulation. > I haven't found the engineering to be that expensive either, even if > contracted out. > I have found the permitting delays to be a bitch, though. We're like four > or five months waiting on the state to get back to us on a permit. The > cities are down to about a 1 - 2 week turnaround. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 6:53:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD > > The extra fiber needed to do AE isn’t a big deal when you are building > centralized split architecture in mid to dense population areas, but it > becomes pretty cost prohibitive quickly in low density and with NG2-PON on > the horizon with the capability of delivering 10G/10G over a 40G capacity > PON I don’t see much need for AE anytime soon. > > Why is is so expensive? Fiber isn’t expensive - it’s the permitting, > engineering, fees to every government entity, paperwork, etc. that you have > to pay. > > Mark > > > On Mar 21, 2025, at 4:49 PM, dbernardi <dberna...@zitomedia.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > But the expensive/important part (fiber) is in place. If the gubment is > going to piss away tax dollars for unserved/underserved broadband, fiber > construction seems like a decent urinal. > > > > XGS-PON can co-exist with GPON on the same fiber so eventual upgrades > are fairly easy. Do combo GPON/XGS-PON at the OLT out of the gate so a CPE > swap is the only thing require for an upgrade to a shared 10Gb service. > When XGS-PON isn't enough bandwidth for the 32 subscribers on a PON, I'd > rather replace equipment at either end than deal with another construction > project. Or do a 1:16 split. > > > > Preparing for AE when doing the construction is probably worthwhile too > even if you only light for PON initially, or mix/match. The cost of > deploying high count fiber cable isn't that significant in the big picture. > > > > And why does fiber construction have to be so (artificially?) > expensive. Buy America will certainly make broadband deployments more > expensive but that's a good thing if it truly provides jobs and > manufacturing investment, but I have my doubts. > > > > > > > > On 3/21/2025 2:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G. > Should these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should have > AE so they can do 100G to start with. > >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the > >> same Infrastructure. > >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman > >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> > >> wrote: > >> But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are > >> sufficiently served? How does that make any sense? > >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones > >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have > >> allowed technology with a short shelf life > >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett > >> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Well.... > >> https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/ > >> post/3lkiye5n2dk2p <https://bsky.app/profile/ > >> craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5 > >> <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5> > >> The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules > >> interpreted the bill to mean that only FTTH would meet > >> the performance and future-proofing requirements. He is > >> claiming that there are proposed rule changes that will > >> allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't > >> know whether the changes /intentionally/ benefit > >> Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and felt strongly > >> enough about it to resign over it. > >> -Adam > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM > >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD > >> I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the > >> E stands for Equity and DEI is now banned. > >> But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD? > >> -- AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > >> -- AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > >> -- AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http:// > >> af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > >> -- AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http:// > >> af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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