Yeah, I was gonna say they copy the tweets to doge.gov, but nothing I've seen there resembles evidence. I'll quit all kool-aid forever, but tell me what drink makes those statements look like documentation or evidence.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 7:31 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > doge.gov requires zero membership fee, spit out your koolaid > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 5:25 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: > >> It being on X is not publicly available. You have to be a member. Are >> you saying they take your private information and deduct member fees from >> your social security check and make you a member against your will? >> On 2/17/25 06:00, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> A better question is why do we have to take their word for it when it's >> spent? >> The good, final outcome of this is there is a framework in place now for >> all future spending to be on public record in a clear and transparent >> manner, publicly accessible, with the spend requests and links to the >> outcome reports. That should t require foia >> >> My guess is half of what they claw back will ultimately be paid out when >> it's explained and justified. >> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025, 7:23 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> >>> An example I just saw on doge.gov was an $8mil USDA contract with a >>> screen shot of a record. Nothing on the screen demonstrates how it was >>> waste, fraud, or abuse. The title of the contract was some fluffy sounding >>> thing about environmental compliance, and as far as I can tell the title is >>> what we’re supposed to accept as evidence. That was an example from the >>> day’s “batch” with no information provided about whatever else was canceled >>> that day. >>> >>> Maybe they’ll publish more details later for “maximal transparency”, but >>> right now we are forced to take their word for it. >>> >>> It’s fair to have a problem with unelected bureaucrats wielding most of >>> the power of the federal government, but the same should not become OK just >>> because the bureaucrat is an ideologically appropriate apparatchik. >>> >>> >>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 16, 2025 9:41:06 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website (www.doge.gov) >>> >>> yeah, super scary. boogeyman level >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 6:17 PM Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>> This seems about par for the course with these guys. Scary stuff. >>> >>> I love how this administration uses the term "maximally transparent", or >>> some derivation thereof everywhere they can. I guess if you say it enough, >>> it must be true, right? >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 5:59 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>> >>> https://www.wired.com/story/doge-website-is-just-one-big-x-ad/ >>> >>> >>> >>> DOGE’s Website Is Just One Big X Ad >>> >>> *The source code for the new Department of Government Efficiency’s >>> “official US government website” points to X as its primary source of >>> authority, while sharing links to the site sends users to x.com >>> <http://x.com>.* >>> >>> >>> >>> At a press conference in the Oval Office >>> <https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/12/tech/elon-musk-x-oval-office/index.html> >>> this >>> week, Elon Musk promised the actions of his so-called Department of >>> Government Efficiency (DOGE) <https://www.wired.com/tag/doge/> project >>> would be “maximally transparent,” thanks to information posted to its >>> website. >>> >>> At the time of his comment, the DOGE website was empty >>> <https://bsky.app/profile/joncooper-us.bsky.social/post/3lhwsmk4iac2u>. >>> However, when the site finally came online Thursday morning, it turned out >>> to be little more than a glorified feed of posts from the official DOGE >>> account on Musk’s own X platform, raising new questions about Musk’s >>> conflicts >>> of interest in running DOGE >>> <https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5293382/x-elon-musk-doge-cfpb>. >>> >>> DOGE.gov claims to be an “official website of the United States >>> government,” but rather than giving detailed breakdowns of the cost savings >>> and efficiencies Musk claims his project is making, the homepage of the >>> site just replicated posts from the DOGE account on X. >>> >>> A WIRED review of the page’s source code shows that the promotion of >>> Musk’s own platform went deeper than replicating the posts on the homepage. >>> The source code shows that the site’s canonical tags >>> <https://moz.com/learn/seo/canonicalization> direct search engines to >>> x.com rather than DOGE.gov. >>> >>> A canonical tag is a snippet of code that tells search engines what the >>> authoritative version of a website is. It is typically used by sites with >>> multiple pages as a search engine optimization tactic, to avoid their >>> search ranking being diluted. >>> >>> In DOGE’s case, however, the code is informing search engines that when >>> people search for content found on DOGE.gov, they should not show those >>> pages in search results, but should instead display the posts on X. >>> >>> “It is promoting the X account as the main source, with the website >>> secondary,” Declan Chidlow, a web developer <https://vale.rocks/>, >>> tells WIRED. “This isn't usually how things are handled, and it indicates >>> that the X account is taking priority over the actual website itself.” >>> >>> Advertisement >>> >>> All the other US government websites WIRED checked used their own >>> homepage in their canonical tags, including the official White House >>> website. Additionally, when sharing the DOGE website on mobile devices, the >>> source code creates a link to the DOGE X account rather than the website >>> itself. >>> >>> “It seems that the DOGE website is secondary, and they are prodding >>> people in the direction of the X account everywhere they can,” Chidlow adds. >>> >>> Alongside the homepage feed of X posts, a section of Doge.gov labeled >>> “Savings” now appears. So far the page is empty except for a single line >>> that reads: “Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's day,” followed >>> by a heart emoji >>> <https://www.wired.com/story/heart-emoji-lost-all-meaning/>. >>> >>> A section entitled “Workforce” features some bar charts showing how many >>> people work in each government agency, with the information coming from >>> data gathered by the Office of Personnel Management in March 2024. >>> >>> A disclaimer at the bottom of the page reads: “This is DOGE's effort to >>> create a comprehensive, government-wide org chart. This is an enormous >>> effort, and there are likely some errors or omissions. We will continue to >>> strive for maximum accuracy over time.” >>> >>> Another section, entitled “Regulations,” features what DOGE calls the >>> “Unconstitutionality Index,” which it describes as “the number of agency >>> rules created by unelected bureaucrats for each law passed by Congress in >>> 2024.” >>> >>> The charts in this section are also based on data previously collected >>> by US government agencies. Doge.gov also links to a Forbes article from >>> last month that was written by Clyde Wayne Crews, a member of the Heartland >>> Institute, a conservative think tank that pushed climate change >>> disinformation >>> <https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/heartland-institute-leak-exposes-strategies-of-climate-attack-machine/> >>> and >>> questioned the links between tobacco and lung cancer >>> <https://www.tobaccotactics.org/article/heartland-institute/>. It is >>> also a major advocate for privatizing government departments >>> <https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/in-shift-key-climate-denialist-group-heartland-institute-pivots-to-policy/> >>> . >>> >>> The site also features a “Join” page which allows prospective DOGE >>> employees to apply for roles including “software engineers, InfoSec >>> engineers, and other technology professionals.” As well as requesting a >>> Github account and résumé, the form asks visitors to “provide 2-3 bullet >>> points showcasing exceptional ability.” >>> >>> The website does not list a developer, but on Wednesday, web application >>> security expert Sam Curry outlined in a thread on X >>> <https://x.com/samwcyo/status/1889527715029557607> how he was able to >>> identify the developer of the site as DOGE employee Kyle Shutt. >>> >>> Curry claims he was able to link a Cloudflare account ID found in the >>> site’s source code to Shutt, who used the same account when developing >>> Musk’s >>> America PAC >>> <https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-america-pac-election-denial-community-x/> >>> website. >>> >>> On Thursday, Drop Site News >>> <https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/doge-fema-funding-access-social-security-numbers> >>> reported, >>> citing sources within FEMA, that Shutt had gained access to the agency’s >>> proprietary software controlling payments. Earlier this week, Business >>> Insider reported >>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/doge-staff-list-white-house-2025-2> that >>> Shutt, who recently worked at an AI interviewing software company, was >>> listed as one of 30 people working for DOGE. >>> >>> Neither Shutt, DOGE, nor the White House responded to requests for >>> comment. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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