Wow, access servers. Now that takes me back. Maybe 1991. I decided to use a MC68360 mcu to receive a T1 and some kind of Rockwell DSP to receive the data stream and be a modem. It would have been a 24 circuit dial up modem fed with a T1, the 360 was the first MCI I knew of with a native hardware ethernet port. I shelved it in favor of building some fax spy hardware (using the same chips but converting to E1) for some French semi intelligence related outfit to be used in Northern Africa and the middle ease. I loved the project. But I should have finished the modem. Others eventually did the same thing and were very successful.
From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2024 10:23 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Valuing obsolete equipment that still works Regarding dialup, we had 3 or 4 Ascend MAX4000 servers in Chicago and one in our WISP service area. We kept that one for awhile and gave free accounts to WISP customers as a backup in case of an outage, but abandoned that plan because nobody used it. 56 kbps was considered so slow as to be useless, people would drive into town and use WiFi at a coffee shop rather than use dialup. It’s getting that way now if one of our licensed backhauls goes down or has rain fade, it doesn’t make sense to fall back to a 5 GHz backup link with less capacity. If people can’t stream, in their view they have no Internet. Almost better not to use the backup link. Plus of course everybody starts running speedtests and making things worse. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2024 9:32 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Valuing obsolete equipment that still works Yeah, 50 subs on a 900 and 100+ on a 2.4 FSK was perfectly fine, then Netflix decided to change their business model from mailing DVDs to streaming. On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:02 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: I hope they were doing wholesale dialup, not running their own access servers. We dumped dialup in 2009. It was a race to the bottom, the going price I think was $6.95/mo and if you were at $6.96 you got no customers. And you had to spend half your revenue on Google ads to get the customers. I think we still have 2 900 MHz customers on one Cambium AP. I can't believe WISPs used to have like 50 subs per 900 MHz AP, at like $50/mo ARPU. And those weren't even the 450i APs, they were FSK or Ubiquiti. Well, smartgrid took care of that. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Dev Sent: Friday, November 22, 2024 6:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Valuing obsolete equipment that still works The good news is they recently retired the two last dial-up customers! I didn’t know that still existed. They finally migrated the last customer off their 900MHz, I think. The rest of the diligence should be a fun-filled mystery I’m guessing. > On Nov 22, 2024, at 3:59 PM, t...@3dsc.co wrote: > > Yeah almost all the 450 except some of the very first versions are CBRs capable. If they still have pmp320s install there is a small chance that it is running legaly, but not likely I had a customer that had an extended grandfatherd license that was allowed to continue for a period of time while they were transitioning. However its not likely. > > In this situation I would typicaly value these customers as negative for asuming the liability or at least they would be removed from the valuation I would recomend requireing them to be disabled before closing the deal. > > > On 11/22/24 5:48 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm fairly certain that all 450 hardware is CBRS capable, so that's just going to be a matter of upgrading firmware and getting everything properly configured and registered. >> I don't think any wimax gear is CBRS capable. >> At least some (probably most) LTE stuff can be upgraded to CBRS. >> If it's a couple of old wimax APs with a small number of customers, it's probably not that big of a deal, if it's hundreds of customers... yikes. >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024, 3:57 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote: >> If it is Cambium 450, we switched all of ours from Part 90 / NN to >> CBRS and I don't remember having to change any hardware. Other 3.65 >> equipment like a Purewave WIMAX system and some Ubiquiti stuff and >> another brand I don't recall, those were forklift upgrades. >> That was like 5 years ago though. I know because my CPI cert is >> about to expire. >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: "Dev" __ >> Sent: 11/22/2024 3:35:58 PM >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" __ >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Valuing obsolete equipment that still works >> Also, we’d have to figure out how long it would take to swap them, >> trying to get a count of how much of a job this might be, i.e. how >> many subs. >> > On Nov 22, 2024, at 1:31?PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists >> > <jeffl...@att.net <mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote: >> > >> > If it’s 3.65 that isn’t SAS capable, you are buying a large legal >> > liability. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > Jeff Broadwick >> > CTIconnect >> > 312-205-2519 Office >> > 574-220-7826 Cell >> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> >> > >> >> On Nov 22, 2024, at 4:26?PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com >> >> <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> ?I think some may be in the old 3.6GHz, which is more of an issue >> >> because it gets in the way of the new 450 3.6GHz radio channel >> >> plan, so hoping not too many subs out there. >> >> >> >>> On Nov 22, 2024, at 12:11?PM, Steve Jones >> >>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> 0 value on equipment >> >>> acquisition value on customer >> >>> cost of doing business on swap >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 12:32?PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com >> >>> <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Looking at purchasing a WISP that has old wireless equipment >> >>> that’s no longer supported but happy customers connected to >> >>> it. 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