As an FYI, I consider myself politically independent. Over my lifetime, I have voted Republican more often than Democratic for president.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 1:28 PM Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote: > There are real immigration issues and they are messy. I am not defending > anyone, but I don't see that Biden or Obama have much to do with my point. > > The Trump administration took kids from their parents with no records that > would allow them to be reunited: > https://www.npr.org/2022/08/11/1116917364/how-the-trump-white-house-misled-the-world-about-its-family-separation-policy > > I think we may be able to agree that it is nearly impossible to prove what > Trump knew about anything, but this was a marquee issue for him. So perhaps > he is not evil - he just didn't know (or care) what he was enabling. I > guess that is a more favorable way to look at it. > > P.S. I know you will hate that I am sourcing from NPR, but I am too lazy > to look up the federal court cases (where the evidence was laid out under > oath). If you doubt this actually happened *and* it will change your mind, > I will dig out references to at least one of them. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> This is the part I have trouble with: “with no intention of ever >> allowing them to be reunited “ >> If that was true then that is evil. >> >> I just have a hard time that ever happened like that. They were >> separated yes. That there was an intention of a permanent separation? >> No. >> >> Who wanted to make the separation permanent? And why? >> >> The Biden administration just separated a bunch of kids, flew them to >> upstate NW last week. Those kids are separated from their parents. They >> are farmed out to shelters and homes across a tri state area. Sounds like >> what you are describing to me... >> >> So evil if Trump does it but not evil if Biden does it? >> >> This also goes for chain link fenced compounds for “visitors”. >> >> Obama OK, Trump not OK, Biden OK. ??? >> >> Kids treated like dogs, oh my!!! But only when republicans are in the >> white house. And only on liberal news media. >> >> >> *From:* Chuck Macenski >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 10:52 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >> >> If separating children from their parents (albeit at the border) with no >> intention of ever allowing them to be reunited isn't evil, I may not >> understand the word's meaning. >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:57 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, indeed, look at the vaccination rates between the right and left. >>> >>> 69% of our nation is now fully vaxxed two shots or more and 80% have >>> received at least one shot. >>> >>> So if you figure 100% of liberals are vaxed accounting for 50% of those >>> vaxxed, that leaves the 30% of the total for the conservatives which would >>> be 60% of the conservatives. And that means all libs were vaxed. Libs not >>> vaxed add to that 60% number. In polls separating blues and red vax rates >>> there was only 10% difference between them. So probably 65-70% of >>> conservatives have received at least one shot. That is not a large >>> percentage of anti vax to me. This is old, from one year ago: >>> [image: image] >>> >>> I do believe there is a concerted effort by fringe elements to introduce >>> subjects to elementary students that have no place in public schools. >>> Especially that fringe group that is attracted to children. To even talk >>> about things like that plant ideas in the heads of kids. So yes, a long >>> play grooming effort would be an apt moniker for such attempts. They are >>> rare but they are happening. One of my daughters teaches jr high science. >>> She is forced to help kids that want to transition and she is prevented >>> from telling parents by the school district. >>> >>> In any event, fringe is what 5th std deviation? 4th? 3rd? Anti vaxers >>> are probably second deviation. So, yeah, not really fringe but in a >>> minority. I don’t get them at all. They are all about latent side effects >>> that eventually will kill and the experimental nature of the vaccine. Hey, >>> all vaccines are experimental and have side effects. Wonder what they say >>> when an MRNA compound created by a computer cures their cancer someday... >>> I have a good friend, anti vax to the max, he has long covid and is about >>> dead from it. Has had it for most of the year. Still and anti vaxxer and >>> denying he actually has covid. >>> >>> I don’t consider Trump evil, just blinded by his own megalomania and >>> stupid enough to enjoy the attention of sycophants. He seems incapable of >>> critical thinking. But hey, he is a TV personality, a showman, PT Barnum. >>> Who knows what he really thinks. He plays for the ratings. >>> >>> He did do some good things. None of which will ever get play on MSNBC or >>> Huffpo. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 9:04 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> The craziest conspiracy theories are probably believed by a small number >>> of people, sure. But larger conspiracies like the covid vaccine will kill >>> you is believed by a much larger percentage of Republicans. Just look at >>> vaccine rates between the right and left. Many also believe rumors that all >>> kids are being groomed in schools, there's litter boxes for kids that >>> identify as a furry, that schools are teaching kids how to be gay, and >>> more. I've talked to enough anti-vaxxers that they're not the fringe >>> anymore. >>> >>> I live in rural MN and there's some people that have "fu*k Biden" flags >>> or "trump won" flags up. A farmer also painted some hay bales that say >>> trump won or "keep your guns, rights, and God". People flying an American >>> flag with a trump flag right underneath. What they can't see is how >>> un-American that is. I can't wait for the day that he passes away and these >>> people see how much of an evil person he is. >>> >>> I would say that at least a majority of people who still support trump >>> are as low as the sewer trash I'm seeing interviewed. Normally good people >>> have been indoctrinated into the cult when you actually see them talk about >>> trump. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 8:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Very few trump supporters can ce characterized as below. You are >>>> sampling the sewage concentrate distilled down be the left. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 12:48 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory, >>>> >>>> How can anyone say trump loves this country? He hates or is indifferent >>>> to most everyone in it. He's a narcissist that ONLY cares about himself. He >>>> doesn't care about you, me, or anyone that disagrees with him. >>>> >>>> He's tossed aside and stuck his mob of cult followers on anyone who >>>> disobeys him, including people who work for him in office and during >>>> campaigns. One mistake and he tells everyone you're worthless or against >>>> him, then the targets of his hate start receiving death threats from his >>>> followers. He's the least loyal person in office. >>>> >>>> The people still going to his rallies are mindless sheep. I've watched >>>> dozens of interviews and the conspiracies people share are insane. JFK Jr >>>> is still alive, Biden is really Obama with a mask on, 5G is mind control, >>>> microchips in vaccines, etc. Their IQ levels are lower than low. Anyone >>>> with a brain sees through trump's lies. I hope his supporters snap out of >>>> the hypnosis soon. >>>> >>>> You're not supposed to worship politicians. I voted for Biden because >>>> he's a decent human being but I don't make him my entire personality like >>>> trumpers do. I have no merchandise, I don't think he was sent by God, I >>>> don't praise him or think he's perfect, I disagree with some things like a >>>> normal person should. >>>> >>>> 2024 better offer us some better choices than Biden/Trump. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 12:26 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But you can’t say he doesn’t love this country and did some great >>>>> things for it 😊. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via >>>>> AF >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2022 8:31 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Zero loyalty is a primary feature of Trump. He would toss his mother >>>>> under the bus. I have heard AOC say some anti demo stuff. Not much. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 10, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> the way that the trump cult vilifies any other position in the >>>>> _republican_ party is what sets them apart. Does AOC vilify Biden? >>>>> >>>>> On 10/10/22 9:25 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The hypocrites on the right LOVE Elon Musk because they think he'll >>>>> reinstate Trump if he buys Twitter but they also HATE EV's with a passion. >>>>> There's plenty of misinformation out there. I have driven a Tesla as my >>>>> daily for 4 years. I had the Model 3 first and now I have the refreshed >>>>> 2022 Model S and love both. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you ever want to laugh and cry at some people that have the lowest >>>>> IQs in America and who are attending Trump rallies, search "Jordan Klepper >>>>> trump" on youtube and watch some clips here. It's sad to see how "poorly >>>>> educated" some are. Anyone still supporting him today is part of the cult. >>>>> You can be Republican but not support Trump but anyone else is far gone >>>>> off >>>>> the deep end. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 11:07 AM Carl Peterson < >>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My thoughts, and they really are just thoughts on why there is a large >>>>> anti-EV contingent on the right: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - A lot of hot button "culture war" issues are really being pushed by >>>>> groups with an economic interest in an issue. In this case it is fossil >>>>> fuel energy which is a trillion dollar industry. The world is moving >>>>> towards EVs a whole lot faster than a lot in the industry expected. It >>>>> isn't surprising that wrenches are thrown into the works whenever >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Most current EVs are expensive. Money and liberals are more >>>>> concentrated in urban areas. It is easy to believe FUD, funded by above, >>>>> when it is targeted at a group that is different form you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 8:32 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well the original description was “what is important to be taught at >>>>> school”. In that context, the chart made no sense at all. >>>>> >>>>> If 78% of liberal democrats believe too little time is spent on racial >>>>> issues in school then that does make sense. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 4:45 PM >>>>> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < >>>>> af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I left out an important detail, that graphic was the “too little” >>>>> response. >>>>> >>>>> Full article can be found in today’s Deseret News. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 1:00 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>>> >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The question was as follows: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> “Do you think schools today spend too much, the right amount or too >>>>> little time teaching about the following topics:” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don’t consider that an ultra inflammatory question. >>>>> >>>>> The source is as follows: >>>>> >>>>> The American Family Survey 2022. It conducted online to a match >>>>> sample on gender, race, age and education Aug. 8-15, 2022. The sample >>>>> size >>>>> is 3,000 and the overall margin of error is +- 1.9%. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is an ultra liberal college up near Olympia Wa. Evergreen State >>>>> College. They actually have a faction that teaches that you cannot trust >>>>> science because it teaches concepts that are counter to postmodernism. >>>>> The >>>>> extreme left has embraced a fiction that does not stand up to scientific >>>>> scrutiny. So the extreme left and the extreme right both don’t trust >>>>> science, but for different reasons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So an ultra liberal might also say, we reject the science of >>>>> statistics and samples and surveys because they just make up imaginary >>>>> numbers... right [image: image001.png]‘' >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other words, if you don’t believe the results of a survey (or an >>>>> election, which really is also a survey) you just reject it out of hand, >>>>> don’t believe it, it is flawed... ??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 11:57 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>>> >>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interesting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would think nearly 99% of people would think “Math” and “Science” >>>>> should be taught in school, so there must be some kind of relative ranking >>>>> to come up with those percentages. I don’t believe for a minute that only >>>>> a bare majority of any political party thinks science is important. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’d also guess there was some colorful to the phrasing of the survey >>>>> questions. If they asked “Should students be taught to respect people of >>>>> all races” the percentages would be high across the board. You’d have to >>>>> phrase it in some inflammatory way to get that spread. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anyway it’s cute, but I have questions about the methodology used to >>>>> come up with those numbers. I wonder if the methodology is “let’s make up >>>>> an imaginary number”. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via >>>>> AF >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 12:03 PM >>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Been too quiet around here. Thought I would try to ignite another >>>>> brushfire. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This graphic explains America and what is wrong with it. >>>>> >>>>> Asked of all Americans what is important to be taught at school. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: image002.png] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Darin Steffl >>>>> >>>>> Minnesota WiFi >>>>> >>>>> www.mnwifi.com >>>>> >>>>> 507-634-WiFi >>>>> >>>>> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> This email was scanned by Bitdefender >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> [image: image001.png] >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >
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