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-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 12:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

Not sure if he did a book, I was referring to his statement that he
released...

On 10/11/22 09:55, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Haven’t read that one.  Ordering it now.
Yeah, the books that I have read that were written by his insiders all paint a uniform picture of him. He does not seem able to absorb expert opinion and synthesize outputs from it. I feel sorry for those generals that simply got brushed away when he didn’t like what they were telling him. I know one general personally and he is one of the brightest persons I have ever met. I presume you cannot become a general without having some brains.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 10:16 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
If "Mad Dog" was convinced enough to write about him, and you don't believe him, you are indoctrinated...

On 10/11/22 8:26 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
I think he loves what the country can do for him and is happy to divide the nation as a means to that end. Whatever good came from his administration's policies, I believe the collateral damage outweighs the benefit.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:56 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Oh I’ll say it.  He doesn’t love this country.

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
    *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 1:20 AM
    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

    But you can’t say he doesn’t love this country and did some great
    things for it 😊.

    Rory

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
    via AF
    *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2022 8:31 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

    Zero loyalty is a primary feature of Trump.  He would toss his
mother under the bus. I have heard AOC say some anti demo stuff. Not much.

    Sent from my iPhone

        On Oct 10, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
        wrote:

         the way that the trump cult vilifies any other position in
        the _republican_ party is what sets them apart.   Does AOC
        vilify Biden?

        On 10/10/22 9:25 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

            The hypocrites on the right LOVE Elon Musk because they
            think he'll reinstate Trump if he buys Twitter but they
            also HATE EV's with a passion. There's plenty of
            misinformation out there. I have driven a Tesla as my
            daily for 4 years. I had the Model 3 first and now I have
            the refreshed 2022 Model S and love both.

            If you ever want to laugh and cry at some people that have
            the lowest IQs in America and who are attending Trump
            rallies, search "Jordan Klepper trump" on youtube and
            watch some clips here. It's sad to see how "poorly
            educated" some are. Anyone still supporting him today is
            part of the cult. You can be Republican but not support
            Trump but anyone else is far gone off the deep end.

            On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 11:07 AM Carl Peterson
            <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

                My thoughts, and they really are just thoughts on why
                there is a large anti-EV contingent on the right:

                - A lot of hot button "culture war" issues are really
                being pushed by groups with an economic interest in an
                issue.  In this case it is fossil fuel energy which is
                a trillion dollar industry.  The world is moving
                towards EVs a whole lot faster than a lot in the
                industry expected.  It isn't surprising that wrenches
                are thrown into the works whenever possible.

                - Most current EVs are expensive.  Money and liberals
                are more concentrated in urban areas.  It is easy to
                believe FUD, funded by above, when it is targeted at a
                group that is different form you.

                On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 8:32 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
                wrote:

                    Well the original description was “what is
                    important to be taught at school”.  In that
                    context, the chart made no sense at all.

                    If 78% of liberal democrats believe too little
                    time is spent on racial issues in school then that
                    does make sense.

                    *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
                    *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 4:45 PM
                    *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave
                    Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

                    I left out an important detail, that graphic was
                    the “too little” response.

                    Full article can be found in today’s Deseret News.

                    *From:*Chuck McCown via AF

                    *Sent:*Friday, October 7, 2022 1:00 PM

                    *To:*dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave
                    Users Group'

                    *Cc:*Chuck McCown

                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

                    The question was as follows:

                    “Do you think schools today spend too much, the
                    right amount or too little time teaching about the
                    following topics:”

                    I don’t consider that an ultra inflammatory question.

                    The source is as follows:

                    The American Family Survey 2022.  It conducted
                    online to a match sample on gender, race, age and
                    education Aug. 8-15, 2022.  The sample size is
                    3,000 and the overall margin of error is +- 1.9%.

                    There is an ultra liberal college up near Olympia
                    Wa.  Evergreen State College.  They actually have
                    a faction that teaches that you cannot trust
                    science because it teaches concepts that are
                    counter to postmodernism.  The extreme left has
                    embraced a fiction that does not stand up to
                    scientific scrutiny.  So the extreme left and the
                    extreme right both don’t trust science, but for
                    different reasons.

                    So an ultra liberal might also say, we reject the
                    science of statistics and samples and surveys
                    because they just make up imaginary numbers...
                    right image001.png‘'

                    In other words, if you don’t believe the results
                    of a survey (or an election, which really is also
                    a survey) you just reject it out of hand, don’t
                    believe it, it is flawed... ???

                    *From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

                    *Sent:*Friday, October 7, 2022 11:57 AM

                    *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

                    *Cc:*'Chuck McCown'

                    *Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT Political

                    Interesting.

                    I would think nearly 99% of people would think
                    “Math” and “Science” should be taught in school,
                    so there must be some kind of relative ranking to
                    come up with those percentages.  I don’t believe
                    for a minute that only a bare majority of any
                    political party thinks science is important.

                    I’d also guess there was some colorful to the
                    phrasing of the survey questions.  If they asked
                    “Should students be taught to respect people of
                    all races” the percentages would be high across
                    the board.  You’d have to phrase it in some
                    inflammatory way to get that spread.

                    Anyway it’s cute, but I have questions about the
                    methodology used to come up with those numbers.  I
                    wonder if the methodology is “let’s make up an
                    imaginary number”.

                    -Adam

                    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                    *Chuck McCown via AF
                    *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 12:03 PM
                    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
                    *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
                    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Political

                    Been too quiet around here.  Thought I would try
                    to ignite another brushfire.

                    This graphic explains America and what is wrong
                    with it.

                    Asked of all Americans what is important to be
                    taught at school.

                    image002.png

                    
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