Agreed, and that is why they are expensive. They aren't just stamping something without review and knowing what it is.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 10:34 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > Would have never worked “as” a PE. Moreover, you are exposed to liability > if you stamp something. > > *From:* Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2022 9:20 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC > > I was in the same boat. They had a presentation for the EIT program > (engineer in training) which I guess you had to do if you wanted to sit for > the PE exam later after you got your work hour qualification. I kinda wish > now I had done it but I would have never worked for a PE. Like you I was > all about RF in college. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2022 8:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC > > Yeah, it's a stupid requirement s most EE PEs don't know jack about > wireless and probably less about fiber. I happen to know a couple guys who > bothered to get their PE, but I know I never did simply because there > wasn't even a test for what I do. They want you to take the power systems > and control systems exam if you are an RF guy. IT really is dumb and I > think they are just trying to weed out the smaller guys who will be forced > into a financial hardship. > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> The waiver should be made permanent. The quality of the data will not >> suffer. >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >> >> Understood. We can work with very small providers. We aren't trying to >> put anyone out of business. We do have some fixed costs like the PE unless >> you want to self certify. I believe you qualify, or will at least for the >> waiver on the next 3 filings. >> >> Cameron >> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, but your solution is equivalent to my annual net profit as I am >>> such a new and small company. I am complaining to the FCC penury. >>> >>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>> >>> We have a solution for filing with PE certification at >>> www.regulatorysolutions.us if you need assistance. >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I >>>> think. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement >>>> with increased requirements? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> “Internet access”. If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing >>>>> transport - only then I am not a provider of internet. If someone >>>>> coincidentally connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside >>>>> of my control. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM >>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>> >>>>> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet >>>>> access who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, >>>>> 2022 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But what types of business does it apply to? I am sure that I can >>>>>> find a loophole. Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it >>>>>> should not apply to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>> >>>>>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter. It's copper versus optical delivery. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider >>>>>>> with free access to the internet thrown in... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this. We absolutely did not want >>>>>>> this. There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> did get some wins. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us >>>>>>>> That is sarcasm >>>>>>>> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood >>>>>>>> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's >>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps. I am sure there will be things filed about this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Brian Webster >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 >>>>>>>>> months. Then the full PE cert is required. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>>>>>>> McCown via AF >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Starting to look into what I have to do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just read the certification requirements. 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