The waiver should be made permanent.  The quality of the data will not suffer.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

Understood. We can work with very small providers. We aren't trying to put 
anyone out of business. We do have some fixed costs like the PE unless you want 
to self certify. I believe you qualify, or will at least for the waiver on the 
next 3 filings.  

Cameron

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

  Yes, but your solution is equivalent to my annual net profit as I am such a 
new and small company.  I am complaining to the FCC penury.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:23 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

  We have a solution for filing  with PE certification at 
www.regulatorysolutions.us if you need assistance. 

  Cameron

  On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

    Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I think.


    Sent from my iPhone


      On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:


       
      I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement 
with increased requirements?

      On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> 
wrote:

        “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport 
- only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally 
connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.  

        From: Josh Luthman 
        Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
        To: Chuck McCown 
        Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

        >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet 
access who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022

        On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

          But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can 
find a loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should 
not apply to me.  

          From: Josh Luthman 
          Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
          To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
          Cc: Chuck McCown 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

          Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)

          On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

            I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider 
with free access to the internet thrown in...

            From: Josh Luthman 
            Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
            To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

            WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want 
this.  There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did 
get some wins.

            On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

              I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us 
              That is sarcasm 
              Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
              I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's 
coming

              On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.  

                From: Brian Webster 
                Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
                To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
                Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
                Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC

                Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 
months. Then the full PE cert is required.



                Thank you,

                Brian Webster

                www.wirelessmapping.com



                From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via AF
                Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
                To: af@af.afmug.com
                Cc: Chuck McCown
                Subject: [AFMUG] BDC



                Starting to look into what I have to do.

                Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language 
of the alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:

                (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network 
engineering and design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years 
of relevant experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or 
performance.



                I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of 
qualifications.  

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