I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement
with increased requirements?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

> “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport -
> only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally
> connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access
> who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
>> But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a
>> loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not
>> apply to me.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>
>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with
>>> free access to the internet thrown in...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>
>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.
>>> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get
>>> some wins.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
>>>> That is sarcasm
>>>> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
>>>> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Brian Webster
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months.
>>>>> Then the full PE cert is required.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>>
>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
>>>>> McCown via AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting to look into what I have to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the
>>>>> alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
>>>>>
>>>>> (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering
>>>>> and design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of
>>>>> relevant experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or
>>>>> performance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.
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