Yeah they are allowing that for the next 3 cycles. After that, we'll see. On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 10:35 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
> I could get my PE but I have zero interest in relearning all of the EIT > (renamed something else now) that is part of the book exam. But to your > point - nothing in my EE had any specific relevance to what we do on a day > to day basis. Fiber was a curiosity at the time, and phased array > antennas were cutting edge. > > I still think the FCC / etc. is getting a little too hung up on the PE > requirement - I’m not convinced they actually required a state certified > Professional Engineer (Capital P) in the first place. Ohio specifically > says: > > (A) Except for an individual who, as part of the internal classification > system of the individual's employer, uses the title "engineer" by itself or > in conjunction with another term described in division (B) of this section > and who does not represent the individual's self to the public or otherwise > advertise the individual's self as an engineer, no individual shall, in > connection with the individual's name, assume, use, or advertise: > > (1) The title "engineer" by itself unless the individual is an engineer; > > (2) The title "engineer" in conjunction with another term that modifies > the title "engineer" in a manner that conveys the impression that the > individual is a graduate of an accredited engineering curriculum unless the > individual is a graduate of an accredited engineering curriculum. > > (B) Terms used in conjunction with the title "engineer" under division > (A)(2) of this section that imply a person is a graduate of an accredited > engineering curriculum include the following: "aerospace," "agricultural," > "civil," "chemical," "computer," "electrical," "industrial," "mechanics," > "mechanical," "metallurgical," "mining," "naval architectural and marine," > "nuclear," and any other term commonly used by an institution of higher > learning to apply to graduates of an accredited engineering curriculum. > > The FCC said (in the waiver) "we agree that, under the Commission’s rules, > where a mobile or fixed service provider submits a certification of the > accuracy of its broadband submissions from a “corporate engineering > officer,” the corporate engineering officer does not need to be a certified > PE. We believe that the rule would be satisfied, for example, where the > corporate officer possesses at least a Bachelor of Science (B.S.) in > engineering degree and has both “direct knowledge” of, and responsibility > for, the carrier’s network design and construction. > > To my reading I can specifically state that I am an engineer with a BSEE > acting in my capacity with the company, and not violate Ohio law in doing > so. > > Mark > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote: > > Yeah, it's a stupid requirement s most EE PEs don't know jack about > wireless and probably less about fiber. I happen to know a couple guys who > bothered to get their PE, but I know I never did simply because there > wasn't even a test for what I do. They want you to take the power systems > and control systems exam if you are an RF guy. IT really is dumb and I > think they are just trying to weed out the smaller guys who will be forced > into a financial hardship. > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> The waiver should be made permanent. The quality of the data will not >> suffer. >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >> >> Understood. We can work with very small providers. We aren't trying to >> put anyone out of business. We do have some fixed costs like the PE unless >> you want to self certify. I believe you qualify, or will at least for the >> waiver on the next 3 filings. >> >> Cameron >> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, but your solution is equivalent to my annual net profit as I am >>> such a new and small company. I am complaining to the FCC penury. >>> >>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>> >>> We have a solution for filing with PE certification at >>> www.regulatorysolutions.us if you need assistance. >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I >>>> think. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement >>>> with increased requirements? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> “Internet access”. If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing >>>>> transport - only then I am not a provider of internet. If someone >>>>> coincidentally connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside >>>>> of my control. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM >>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>> >>>>> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet >>>>> access who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, >>>>> 2022 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But what types of business does it apply to? I am sure that I can >>>>>> find a loophole. Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it >>>>>> should not apply to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>> >>>>>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter. It's copper versus optical delivery. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider >>>>>>> with free access to the internet thrown in... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this. We absolutely did not want >>>>>>> this. There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> did get some wins. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us >>>>>>>> That is sarcasm >>>>>>>> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood >>>>>>>> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's >>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps. I am sure there will be things filed about this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Brian Webster >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 >>>>>>>>> months. Then the full PE cert is required. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>>>>>>> McCown via AF >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Starting to look into what I have to do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just read the certification requirements. 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