Understood. We can work with very small providers. We aren't trying to put
anyone out of business. We do have some fixed costs like the PE unless you
want to self certify. I believe you qualify, or will at least for the
waiver on the next 3 filings.

Cameron

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

> Yes, but your solution is equivalent to my annual net profit as I am such
> a new and small company.  I am complaining to the FCC penury.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
> We have a solution for filing  with PE certification at
> www.regulatorysolutions.us if you need assistance.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I think.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement
>> with increased requirements?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport
>>> - only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally
>>> connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>
>>> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet
>>> access who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find
>>>> a loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not
>>>> apply to me.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>
>>>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider
>>>>> with free access to the internet thrown in...
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>
>>>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.
>>>>> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get
>>>>> some wins.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
>>>>>> That is sarcasm
>>>>>> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
>>>>>> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's
>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Brian Webster
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18
>>>>>>> months. Then the full PE cert is required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
>>>>>>> McCown via AF
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Starting to look into what I have to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of
>>>>>>> the alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering
>>>>>>> and design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of
>>>>>>> relevant experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or
>>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of
>>>>>>> qualifications.
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