Very expensive is _very_ relative..  LOL...

On 9/1/20 11:10 AM, Daniel White wrote:
If you are the second fastest on a route you might as well not have a route.

These guys will rip and replace even if they just put it up if it will get a few nanoseconds faster.  And the gear, as being custom built with low volumes, is very expensive.

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Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>
September 1, 2020 at 10:11
LOL 'Enough Money'  These are traders we're talking about. They have bottomless pockets.  They'll spend $100M on a project just to see if it works, then abandon it 6 months later.  The tower owners we talk to hate these guys, they come in, spend a ton of money on buildouts, then just stop paying rent a few months down the way and abandon everything.  They've learned to just charge a lot up front, and these guys will pay it.

On 9/1/2020 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
September 1, 2020 at 09:57
Enough money behind it, they might be able to get a channel on every HF band. You don’t need to send much info to by or sell.  I wonder if a troposcatter system could be licensed?
Or launch a stratosphere balloon to use as an analog repeater.
*From:* Caleb Knauer
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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Interesting. I’ll check it out.

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Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
September 1, 2020 at 09:35
Interesting. I’ll check it out.



Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>
September 1, 2020 at 09:18
It seems most of what I still notice are the Cielo radios. But almost all of the HFT Guys in Chicago have switched over to the Ionosphere antennas.  Where they have the huge yagi antennas with just a single licensed link back to the Datacenter.  I can count 10 different sites within 15 miles that are using this setup.  One of the towers we are on is in the process of installing a 3 antenna system, 30'x40' antennas at 100', 125' and 150'.  Single licensed radio back to the CME datacenter.

On 9/1/2020 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

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September 1, 2020 at 09:03
There is a whole other class of low-latency wireless gear. FEC is removed. ARQ is nowhere to be found.

The radios are optimized so that the data spends as few picoseconds as possible in the radio.



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All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and should have near wire speed latency. The latency should be proportional to the link distance.


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On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:

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