Thats one of the few things in my life that actually took the wind from my sails and had a real emotional effect that I wasnt just mimicking. I became a lot more sarcastic after that. watching your dream turn into a ball of fire and being reminded that you just cant win. I bet there were a whole lot of other kids whos life path changed that day
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:08 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Challenger was a gut punch. I had just read a long article in bed that > morning about Christie McAulliffe. > Then I walk to campus, walk into the student union building and everyone > is staring at a TV with Dan Rather crying. > I was stunned. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:00 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > I would have loved to have grown up during that time, i grew up with the > challenger, quite a different feel > > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:50 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Corona has a higher case fatality rate than the ‘68 Hong Kong flu. >> 1.1% so far world wide. >> >> Spanish flu was 2.5% >> 1968 flu was only .5% >> >> And it was a big deal. >> All the grups were conclaving on what to do about it. >> Lots of consternation. There was talk of extending xmas school break >> which I thought was pretty nice. >> >> But I was more interested in the Apollo program and chasing girls. >> And most of the sites I have looked at show the HK flu killing 38,000 in >> the US >> >> *From:* Steven Kenney >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:04 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Whats the difference now? >> >> t was the summer of love: in 1969 a half a million people gathered >> together to listen to music, take drugs, have sex, roll around in the mud, >> and share a densely populated area for one long weekend. >> And guess what? The whole thing happened during a health pandemic. In >> 1968 the H3N2 pandemic came to the US from Hong Kong. It killed more >> than 100,000 Americans, mostly over the age of 65, which was more combined >> fatalities than both the Vietnam and Korean Wars. >> <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html> Schools, >> movie theaters, bars, tattoo parlors, restaurants, and, of course, concerts >> venues stayed open. The stock market didn’t crash, Congress didn’t issue a >> lock down order, the Federal reserve had no involvement, there was no spike >> in the suicide rate, violent criminals weren’t freed from jail, and nobody >> arrested surfers or hair stylists. >> >> >> https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/ >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org> >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:28:04 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19 >> >> https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ >> >> Fact #1 is disturbing already. >> >> According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the >> lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.20% >> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/>, >> which is in the range of a severe influenza >> <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19> (flu) and about >> twenty times lower than originally assumed >> <https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3> >> by the WHO. >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org> >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> More interesting reading. >> >> Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the mutations, >> and branches of mutations and their genomes. >> https://nextstrain.org/ncov >> >> Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than previous >> bad years? >> http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ >> >> Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical papers >> have been submitted, here is just one. >> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1 >> *"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident >> impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."* >> >> The 6 foot rule effective? >> >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/ >> >> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html >> " Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to stop >> the spread of coronavirus >> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html> is not based >> on any scientific research, a government adviser has said." >> The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68' >> >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/ >> >> >> I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was >> detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some interesting >> differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation process of a corona >> virus. They are claimed to be "insertions". >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> Cats are trouble. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats. >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now. >> >> >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM >> >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the different >> strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a vaccine in a year or >> so, it will probably end up being only useful for a strain of the virus >> that has died out by then. >> >> I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I digress). It >> is about the best description of R, R0 (R nought), and other variations of >> R. The point being is that I misunderstood the concept of "flattening the >> curve". I had thought that reducing the spread would end up infecting the >> same number of people over a longer period of time (so that we don't >> overwhelm the health system). Turns out, that if it's done right, you don't >> flatten the curve, but you crush the curve. I also believe that the widely >> varied infection/death rates comes from a wide variety of factors; >> population density, version of the virus(es) that are "local", extent of >> social distancing, etc. etc. However, getting 330 million Americans to >> follow a plan is way, way worse than herding cats. >> >> >> https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/ >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers saying the >> original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious strain that has pushed >> out its less aggressive predecessor in Europe and the US east coast. That >> certainly throws cold water on some of the vaccine optimism that was >> starting to build. >> >> >> >> Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate change before >> it) is starting to make me think we are no better at handling new threats >> than the dinosaurs were when an asteroid triggered an ice age. And that we >> may all (not just the weak and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs. >> I mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re turning on each >> other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and talking about gutting and >> eating our neighbors. (and their stash of Vienna sausages?) >> >> >> >> https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05 >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> Need to see if they will float first. >> >> >> >> *From:* James Howard >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM >> >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree on what >> they agree about. >> >> >> >> I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more >> contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone a full >> year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is (if we even know then >> due to all the debates about what is counted). >> >> >> >> One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this is about >> 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the actual rate of death to >> cases is lower. What is the definition of being “more deadly”? >> >> >> >> I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should all be >> burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments about what kind of >> fuel to use and how to ignite it……. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list. >> >> >> >> you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody steps up, >> ill argue it >> >> >> >> settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science >> >> >> >> i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do with the >> disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot less disagreement that >> way. Would never work though, we would never get past the caliber argument >> to even get to shooting >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> >> wrote: >> >> Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea, New Zealand, >> Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that depends upon >> what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands out the most. >> Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you will wonder WTF >> are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they are accurate >> because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what they were >> doing more than any other country. 4 deaths. >> >> On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> > Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably we can >> > agree upon. >> > >> > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome. >> > 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu >> > 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. (statistics and >> > predictions are all off) >> > 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar statistics than >> > countries that did. >> > 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe! >> > >> > These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with absolute >> > certainty these things are correct. >> > >> > 1) The virus originated from China >> > 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus. >> > 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally. >> > 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be specific (old, >> > young, white, black, asian etc) >> > 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections are 100% >> > accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting and over >> reporting. >> > >> > -- >> > Steven Kenney >> > Network Operations Manager >> > WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > http://www.wavedirect.net >> > (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM >> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> > It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have >> > been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous >> > years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT >> article, >> > but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into). >> > We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack >> > died because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated >> > heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and >> whether >> > they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If >> > say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past >> 5 >> > years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000 >> > of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people >> > actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway, >> > and it just happened to be covid that finished them off instead, or if >> > 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they jumped off a >> > bridge and were never infected. >> > I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many >> > people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but >> in >> > a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess >> > deaths there were. >> > >> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs >> > because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased. But >> > if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out >> > possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like >> > overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other causes, >> > but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. And the data as >> > Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them up to >> > suit a political agenda or bias.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted >> > because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the morgues and >> > crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated >> > semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths >> > being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then you have >> > all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly people >> > croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM >> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government >> > sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are >> > supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of >> > different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but probably not >> > for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from China (and >> > several other countries) are by design government based. But to >> > brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being naive at >> > least.____ >> > >> > I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions. >> > Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large >> > number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they >> > are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or >> > environmental factor that we just do not understand yet.____ >> > >> > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also >> > do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut >> > off is probably a personal thing.____ >> > >> > bp____ >> > >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____ >> > >> > You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are >> > accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or >> > corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of >> > reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes >> > being classified as covid deaths. Since most patients have >> > existing conditions and many were already dying and died of >> > those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being >> > attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that upward of >> > 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is >> > questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > -- >> > Steven Kenney >> > Network Operations Manager >> > WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > http://www.wavedirect.net >> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM >> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can >> > do when we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It >> > also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they >> > were miss-classified. If you think under-ground near-do-wells >> > are planted in all the hospitals around the country and are >> > coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a >> > tin hat that might fit real well.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > bp____ >> > >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____ >> > >> > Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into >> > regard it still is just as lethal as the regular flu. While >> > it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most people >> > have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had them, or >> > didn't take it serious when they got it. ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further >> > their agenda. ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > -- >> > Steven Kenney >> > Network Operations Manager >> > WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > http://www.wavedirect.net >> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM >> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > image____ >> > >> > ____ >> > >> > Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart... >> > Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. ____ >> > >> > 6 days in a row decline. 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