https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2Z1n4E0sxMyXc82UZxrXNKJqf9oaC_kF53Be6NZaVPnuP8jwTDKxk5w4g
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:13 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
Steve, the usual solution is for nervous dwelling beings to engage in
“spring cleaning”, to the annoyance of all other dwelling beings.
https://www.gocomics.com/breaking-cat-news/2020/04/26
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
I just reread that and am going to have to call a lent. Sorry
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's another thing that really needs kicked to the curb,
political correctness. This is serious business, and housewives
get nervous. A nervous housewife can make a whole lot of bad
decisions. Those bad decisions have real world consequenses that
dont care about being politically correct. You can say house
person if you want. Well maybe being, since son is in person,
indicating Male, if a gender actually exists. And I guess house
indicates some level of financial status.
Would you feel better about "dwelling being".
"Keeping dwelling beings occupied and less nervous" does that make
you feel better?
Fyi, that's specifically the reason I have my wife, who is
suffering severe post partum depression in the middle of the end
of the world, looking for templates on making masks, so i dont
come home to the real world consequense of my babies drown in the
bathtub. I'm not quite sure if her doing that would be PC or not.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:56 PM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
“keeping housewives occupied and less nervous”
Really? You’re aware this is 2020, right?
On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You asked
What was recomended by the White House. Regional opening
with result driven response. (Without rhetoric, example,
my county TRIPLED its cases over the weekend. It went from
1 to 3, the 2 new ones are related, so the increase is
pretty irrelevant.) Tracing is more important than
testing. That's just a matter of fact, testing is a slice
in time, you can be infected, and test negative if you
were recently infected, you can get infected at a test
site. You can test positive from an environmental exposure
without having actually caught it. It's like MRSA of the
nairs.
Once identified, the tracing leads back to likely
hotspots. I'd personally put the bulk of the funding into
tracing. Use every bit of data volunteered. Particularly
request the tracking data from mobile devices. If its
volunteered, you have a map. If they dont, well, you work
with what you have.
"Testing" is a tool of politics. The only way to
effectively test would be real time monitoring. Which A.
Doesnt exist and B. Wouldn't be feasible.
The governors each now have in their possession the
location of every single test processing facility in the
nation. So what little relevance testing actually plays in
management is their responsibility to delegate
coordination. So it's a moot issue.
Any location exposed in tracing gets a mandatory scrub
scrub (to be honest, I dont understand any public venue
that wouldn't be surface decontaminating once ever 24
hours minimum anyway, there's no shortage of killitol
level disinfectants)
I think the mandatory face covering is nonsense. If it
were mandatory rated filtration masks that would be
different.
But there isnt a production capacity for that on the
entire planet. But since it makes people feel like they're
doing something, I'm all for it. Placebo is actually a
powerful medication for much of what ails society. Plus
the homemade masks are keeping housewives occupied and
less nervous. That actually matters.
Occasionally a tracing may require a mandatory compensated
closure. Example being a county here in illinois that has
a processor who has over 20 employees infected, they're
still operational. There is autonomy and constitutional
rights, and then there is stupidity and a true public
health risk. That falls under the latter and should be
closed pending decontamination.
A forcible closure, from a document able and legitimate
public health risk should require medical screening of all
staff/administration prior to resuming activities. There
is no shortage of available healthcare practitioners right
now, so depts of public health can contract that . Once
again, the focus should be on tracing. Heavily funded
tracing. "Patient zero" in the above mentioned case has
probably long since recovered. Tracing is where they are
identified, as theyll test negative now. Cases like this
are where antibody testing should be prioritized, assuming
there is consent.
Tracing
The same applies to public venues. If tracing identifies
probable contamination, the venue scrubs. Applicable staff
are cleared, tracing, tracing tracing. Video surveillance
has a huge role where it is voluntarily submitted.
Voluntarily being key and subjective, since it will be a
whole lot quicker to clear a location of all tracing
resources are made readily available. Call it extortion if
you want, it is what it is, and it is a tool.
Metrics must be clearly defined. If two people happenned
to have been in the same place, it doesnt need to
necessarily be shut down. But the threshold must be
clearly defined. We have very little that is clearly
defined. That has a whole lot to do with the defiance.
Selling seeds being a prime example, at no point did
illinois shut that down, yet places cordoned them off and
facebook images went nuts. This is literally the same
thing that cause the rapid spread in the US, images of
empty shelves. Many of the people protesting still dont
know that nurseries and greenhouses were specifically
deemed essential last week, but that's why they're there.
Clearly define everything, on the state and county
websites. Accurate information is critical. That and tracing.
Define regional thresholds for stages of opening. If a
region declines, shut it down. If a region does well,
progress the stages. Exactly as the feds recommend.
Define and justify every single essential and non
essential industry. With a mandatory state clarification
within 24 hours of a designation request. Justify being
key. And publicly accessible designations. This would be
fluid and ongoing.
Leisure activities need designations. Nuclear family needs
clarification. As it reads, I cant take my family fishing
in illinois because the designated limit is 2. This will
get police in situations with bad outcomes because nobody
bothered to clarify.
If a region's medical resources are verifiably and
documented to be taxed to a predefined and clearly defined
level, then ease back on the stages, all the way to
lockdown if need be. But media reports and public opinion
arent the metrics. The staffing levels and documented
patient loads define that.
I can continue
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 9:01 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
Would you please articulate specifically "what is
right" in this situation? I am asking for your
non-political opinion of the most constructive way
forward.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I sit back and watch as people contradict their
own statements. "Its going to be here like this
for years" "tests are growing, as is the number"
"it's been here longer than we think" "it hasn't
peaked because muh testing" "it's going to be
worse in fall" "mitigation has had a major impact"
The best is regarding the medication mien fuehrer
liked. "Its only anecdotal" "a tiny group had a
negative outcome, thisnis the gold standard and
this drug must be banned"
I live in a state where our governor is in a
pissing contest with the White House, but doing
pretty much what the White House recommends, with
the exception of looking at things by region. We
only have two regions, chicago, and people who
voted for the current president at 1600. So the
whole of downstate will be punished for not voting
the right way. When asked about the data, for the
"science" behind this, we were told the state
doesnt own the data, so we cant see it.
I'm part of a foster parent group. One of the
fosters is utterly destroyed right now. Her prior
ward, that she stayed in contact with died 3 days
ago at 15. He had returned home, but went back
into the system during this (our state, in its
infinite wisdom has effectively shut down the
foster support system, non essential and all) he
couldn't come back to her because she is at
capacity. He had cancer and was in a drug trial.
He had been thriving. The governors orders didnt
allow for him to get access to the trial
resources, so he lost his trial spot, as is the
nature of trials. There were no resources
available to get him into a linear treatment. 3
days ago he succumbed to the complication. While
anecdotal, this is exactly what the cure being
worse than the disease looks like. Granted, the
speed at which he declined from thriving to dead
indicates underlying issues, the chicago emperors
orders made certain there were no resources. Right
now, thanks to the emperors orders, there are
approximately zero resources available to the
foster families. Anticipate a whole lot of
negative outcomes.
Point is, everybody is more concerned about
proving how wrong their political enemy is, that
nobody is even actually looking for what is right.
Thankfully mother nature doesnt care and this
will, like all ailments of proximity, diminish in
the next week or so.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Just listened (in part) to a discussion about
COVID-19 as it regards China/US relations. It
is a discussion between Dubner, Michèle
Flournoy ( former undersecretary of defense
and co-founder of strategic-advisory firm
WestExec.), and Michael Auslin (historian at
Stanford University’s Hoover Institution).
Within the discussion Auslin asserts that the
death toll within Wuhan alone was between 45
and 47 thousand; at least 10X what they have
reported through official channels. He gets
his data through croudsourcing crematoria
activity and the number of people picking up
urns of deceased family members.
If you don't have time to listen to this, it
is at least worth a read of the transcript.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/covid-19-china/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
This virus doesn't care if you are a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent,
agnostic, religious or an atheist...if it
gets you it might kill you...
Stay smart, listen to doctors and
scientists....not ineptus maximus
politicians.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As we test more, we are undoubtedly
going to find more cases that were
previously going undetected
(asymptomatic infection). This is a
long way from over. The other thing we
have not come to grips with is the
uneven spread/mitigation.
There was an interesting graphic for
the state of California showing the
state as a whole versus just the Bay
Area (Mercury News this morning). The
7 counties around the bay instituted
shelter in place very early, and it's
beginning to show in the statistics.
The Bay Area accounts for almost 18%
of the entire state population (7 of
the 40 million).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 8:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Might be Chebyshev BPF though...
hopefully...Bessell.
Hopefully not high pass...
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