I just reread that and am going to have to call a lent. Sorry On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's another thing that really needs kicked to the curb, political > correctness. This is serious business, and housewives get nervous. A > nervous housewife can make a whole lot of bad decisions. Those bad > decisions have real world consequenses that dont care about being > politically correct. You can say house person if you want. Well maybe > being, since son is in person, indicating Male, if a gender actually > exists. And I guess house indicates some level of financial status. > Would you feel better about "dwelling being". > "Keeping dwelling beings occupied and less nervous" does that make you > feel better? > > Fyi, that's specifically the reason I have my wife, who is suffering > severe post partum depression in the middle of the end of the world, > looking for templates on making masks, so i dont come home to the real > world consequense of my babies drown in the bathtub. I'm not quite sure if > her doing that would be PC or not. > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:56 PM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote: > >> “keeping housewives occupied and less nervous” >> >> Really? You’re aware this is 2020, right? >> >> On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> You asked >> >> What was recomended by the White House. Regional opening with result >> driven response. (Without rhetoric, example, my county TRIPLED its cases >> over the weekend. It went from 1 to 3, the 2 new ones are related, so the >> increase is pretty irrelevant.) Tracing is more important than testing. >> That's just a matter of fact, testing is a slice in time, you can be >> infected, and test negative if you were recently infected, you can get >> infected at a test site. You can test positive from an environmental >> exposure without having actually caught it. It's like MRSA of the nairs. >> >> Once identified, the tracing leads back to likely hotspots. I'd >> personally put the bulk of the funding into tracing. Use every bit of data >> volunteered. Particularly request the tracking data from mobile devices. If >> its volunteered, you have a map. If they dont, well, you work with what you >> have. >> "Testing" is a tool of politics. The only way to effectively test would >> be real time monitoring. Which A. Doesnt exist and B. Wouldn't be feasible. >> >> The governors each now have in their possession the location of every >> single test processing facility in the nation. So what little relevance >> testing actually plays in management is their responsibility to delegate >> coordination. So it's a moot issue. >> >> Any location exposed in tracing gets a mandatory scrub scrub (to be >> honest, I dont understand any public venue that wouldn't be surface >> decontaminating once ever 24 hours minimum anyway, there's no shortage of >> killitol level disinfectants) >> >> I think the mandatory face covering is nonsense. If it were mandatory >> rated filtration masks that would be different. >> But there isnt a production capacity for that on the entire planet. But >> since it makes people feel like they're doing something, I'm all for it. >> Placebo is actually a powerful medication for much of what ails society. >> Plus the homemade masks are keeping housewives occupied and less nervous. >> That actually matters. >> >> Occasionally a tracing may require a mandatory compensated closure. >> Example being a county here in illinois that has a processor who has over >> 20 employees infected, they're still operational. There is autonomy and >> constitutional rights, and then there is stupidity and a true public health >> risk. That falls under the latter and should be closed pending >> decontamination. >> >> A forcible closure, from a document able and legitimate public health >> risk should require medical screening of all staff/administration prior to >> resuming activities. There is no shortage of available healthcare >> practitioners right now, so depts of public health can contract that . Once >> again, the focus should be on tracing. Heavily funded tracing. "Patient >> zero" in the above mentioned case has probably long since recovered. >> Tracing is where they are identified, as theyll test negative now. Cases >> like this are where antibody testing should be prioritized, assuming there >> is consent. >> >> Tracing >> >> The same applies to public venues. If tracing identifies probable >> contamination, the venue scrubs. Applicable staff are cleared, tracing, >> tracing tracing. Video surveillance has a huge role where it is voluntarily >> submitted. Voluntarily being key and subjective, since it will be a whole >> lot quicker to clear a location of all tracing resources are made readily >> available. Call it extortion if you want, it is what it is, and it is a >> tool. >> >> Metrics must be clearly defined. If two people happenned to have been in >> the same place, it doesnt need to necessarily be shut down. But the >> threshold must be clearly defined. We have very little that is clearly >> defined. That has a whole lot to do with the defiance. Selling seeds being >> a prime example, at no point did illinois shut that down, yet places >> cordoned them off and facebook images went nuts. This is literally the same >> thing that cause the rapid spread in the US, images of empty shelves. Many >> of the people protesting still dont know that nurseries and greenhouses >> were specifically deemed essential last week, but that's why they're there. >> Clearly define everything, on the state and county websites. Accurate >> information is critical. That and tracing. >> >> Define regional thresholds for stages of opening. If a region declines, >> shut it down. If a region does well, progress the stages. Exactly as the >> feds recommend. >> >> Define and justify every single essential and non essential industry. >> With a mandatory state clarification within 24 hours of a designation >> request. Justify being key. And publicly accessible designations. This >> would be fluid and ongoing. >> >> Leisure activities need designations. Nuclear family needs clarification. >> As it reads, I cant take my family fishing in illinois because the >> designated limit is 2. This will get police in situations with bad outcomes >> because nobody bothered to clarify. >> >> If a region's medical resources are verifiably and documented to be taxed >> to a predefined and clearly defined level, then ease back on the stages, >> all the way to lockdown if need be. But media reports and public opinion >> arent the metrics. The staffing levels and documented patient loads define >> that. >> >> >> I can continue >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 9:01 PM Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote: >> >>> Would you please articulate specifically "what is right" in this >>> situation? I am asking for your non-political opinion of the most >>> constructive way forward. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I sit back and watch as people contradict their own statements. "Its >>>> going to be here like this for years" "tests are growing, as is the number" >>>> "it's been here longer than we think" "it hasn't peaked because muh >>>> testing" "it's going to be worse in fall" "mitigation has had a major >>>> impact" >>>> The best is regarding the medication mien fuehrer liked. "Its only >>>> anecdotal" "a tiny group had a negative outcome, thisnis the gold standard >>>> and this drug must be banned" >>>> >>>> I live in a state where our governor is in a pissing contest with the >>>> White House, but doing pretty much what the White House recommends, with >>>> the exception of looking at things by region. We only have two regions, >>>> chicago, and people who voted for the current president at 1600. So the >>>> whole of downstate will be punished for not voting the right way. When >>>> asked about the data, for the "science" behind this, we were told the state >>>> doesnt own the data, so we cant see it. >>>> >>>> I'm part of a foster parent group. One of the fosters is utterly >>>> destroyed right now. Her prior ward, that she stayed in contact with died 3 >>>> days ago at 15. He had returned home, but went back into the system during >>>> this (our state, in its infinite wisdom has effectively shut down the >>>> foster support system, non essential and all) he couldn't come back to her >>>> because she is at capacity. He had cancer and was in a drug trial. He had >>>> been thriving. The governors orders didnt allow for him to get access to >>>> the trial resources, so he lost his trial spot, as is the nature of trials. >>>> There were no resources available to get him into a linear treatment. 3 >>>> days ago he succumbed to the complication. While anecdotal, this is exactly >>>> what the cure being worse than the disease looks like. Granted, the speed >>>> at which he declined from thriving to dead indicates underlying issues, the >>>> chicago emperors orders made certain there were no resources. Right now, >>>> thanks to the emperors orders, there are approximately zero resources >>>> available to the foster families. Anticipate a whole lot of negative >>>> outcomes. >>>> >>>> Point is, everybody is more concerned about proving how wrong their >>>> political enemy is, that nobody is even actually looking for what is right. >>>> >>>> Thankfully mother nature doesnt care and this will, like all ailments >>>> of proximity, diminish in the next week or so. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just listened (in part) to a discussion about COVID-19 as it regards >>>>> China/US relations. It is a discussion between Dubner, Michèle Flournoy ( >>>>> former undersecretary of defense and co-founder of strategic-advisory firm >>>>> WestExec.), and Michael Auslin (historian at Stanford University’s Hoover >>>>> Institution). >>>>> >>>>> Within the discussion Auslin asserts that the death toll within Wuhan >>>>> alone was between 45 and 47 thousand; at least 10X what they have reported >>>>> through official channels. He gets his data through croudsourcing >>>>> crematoria activity and the number of people picking up urns of deceased >>>>> family members. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't have time to listen to this, it is at least worth a read >>>>> of the transcript. >>>>> >>>>> https://freakonomics.com/podcast/covid-19-china/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2020 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This virus doesn't care if you are a Republican, a Democrat, an >>>>> Independent, agnostic, religious or an atheist...if it gets you it might >>>>> kill you... >>>>> Stay smart, listen to doctors and scientists....not ineptus maximus >>>>> politicians. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As we test more, we are undoubtedly going to find more cases that >>>>>> were previously going undetected (asymptomatic infection). This is a long >>>>>> way from over. The other thing we have not come to grips with is the >>>>>> uneven >>>>>> spread/mitigation. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was an interesting graphic for the state of California showing >>>>>> the state as a whole versus just the Bay Area (Mercury News this >>>>>> morning). >>>>>> The 7 counties around the bay instituted shelter in place very early, and >>>>>> it's beginning to show in the statistics. The Bay Area accounts for >>>>>> almost >>>>>> 18% of the entire state population (7 of the 40 million). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2020 8:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image] >>>>>> >>>>>> Might be Chebyshev BPF though... hopefully...Bessell. >>>>>> Hopefully not high pass... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> !DSPAM:5ea4fd705986622617646! -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> !DSPAM:5ea4fd705986622617646! >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >
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