“keeping housewives occupied and less nervous” Really? You’re aware this is 2020, right?
> On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > You asked > > What was recomended by the White House. Regional opening with result driven > response. (Without rhetoric, example, my county TRIPLED its cases over the > weekend. It went from 1 to 3, the 2 new ones are related, so the increase is > pretty irrelevant.) Tracing is more important than testing. That's just a > matter of fact, testing is a slice in time, you can be infected, and test > negative if you were recently infected, you can get infected at a test site. > You can test positive from an environmental exposure without having actually > caught it. It's like MRSA of the nairs. > > Once identified, the tracing leads back to likely hotspots. I'd personally > put the bulk of the funding into tracing. Use every bit of data volunteered. > Particularly request the tracking data from mobile devices. If its > volunteered, you have a map. If they dont, well, you work with what you have. > "Testing" is a tool of politics. The only way to effectively test would be > real time monitoring. Which A. Doesnt exist and B. Wouldn't be feasible. > > The governors each now have in their possession the location of every single > test processing facility in the nation. So what little relevance testing > actually plays in management is their responsibility to delegate > coordination. So it's a moot issue. > > Any location exposed in tracing gets a mandatory scrub scrub (to be honest, I > dont understand any public venue that wouldn't be surface decontaminating > once ever 24 hours minimum anyway, there's no shortage of killitol level > disinfectants) > > I think the mandatory face covering is nonsense. If it were mandatory rated > filtration masks that would be different. > But there isnt a production capacity for that on the entire planet. But since > it makes people feel like they're doing something, I'm all for it. Placebo is > actually a powerful medication for much of what ails society. Plus the > homemade masks are keeping housewives occupied and less nervous. That > actually matters. > > Occasionally a tracing may require a mandatory compensated closure. Example > being a county here in illinois that has a processor who has over 20 > employees infected, they're still operational. There is autonomy and > constitutional rights, and then there is stupidity and a true public health > risk. That falls under the latter and should be closed pending > decontamination. > > A forcible closure, from a document able and legitimate public health risk > should require medical screening of all staff/administration prior to > resuming activities. There is no shortage of available healthcare > practitioners right now, so depts of public health can contract that . Once > again, the focus should be on tracing. Heavily funded tracing. "Patient zero" > in the above mentioned case has probably long since recovered. Tracing is > where they are identified, as theyll test negative now. Cases like this are > where antibody testing should be prioritized, assuming there is consent. > > Tracing > > The same applies to public venues. If tracing identifies probable > contamination, the venue scrubs. Applicable staff are cleared, tracing, > tracing tracing. Video surveillance has a huge role where it is voluntarily > submitted. Voluntarily being key and subjective, since it will be a whole lot > quicker to clear a location of all tracing resources are made readily > available. Call it extortion if you want, it is what it is, and it is a tool. > > Metrics must be clearly defined. If two people happenned to have been in the > same place, it doesnt need to necessarily be shut down. But the threshold > must be clearly defined. We have very little that is clearly defined. That > has a whole lot to do with the defiance. Selling seeds being a prime example, > at no point did illinois shut that down, yet places cordoned them off and > facebook images went nuts. This is literally the same thing that cause the > rapid spread in the US, images of empty shelves. Many of the people > protesting still dont know that nurseries and greenhouses were specifically > deemed essential last week, but that's why they're there. Clearly define > everything, on the state and county websites. Accurate information is > critical. That and tracing. > > Define regional thresholds for stages of opening. If a region declines, shut > it down. If a region does well, progress the stages. Exactly as the feds > recommend. > > Define and justify every single essential and non essential industry. With a > mandatory state clarification within 24 hours of a designation request. > Justify being key. And publicly accessible designations. This would be fluid > and ongoing. > > Leisure activities need designations. Nuclear family needs clarification. As > it reads, I cant take my family fishing in illinois because the designated > limit is 2. This will get police in situations with bad outcomes because > nobody bothered to clarify. > > If a region's medical resources are verifiably and documented to be taxed to > a predefined and clearly defined level, then ease back on the stages, all the > way to lockdown if need be. But media reports and public opinion arent the > metrics. The staffing levels and documented patient loads define that. > > > I can continue > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 9:01 PM Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote: >> Would you please articulate specifically "what is right" in this situation? >> I am asking for your non-political opinion of the most constructive way >> forward. >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> I sit back and watch as people contradict their own statements. "Its going >>> to be here like this for years" "tests are growing, as is the number" "it's >>> been here longer than we think" "it hasn't peaked because muh testing" >>> "it's going to be worse in fall" "mitigation has had a major impact" >>> The best is regarding the medication mien fuehrer liked. "Its only >>> anecdotal" "a tiny group had a negative outcome, thisnis the gold standard >>> and this drug must be banned" >>> >>> I live in a state where our governor is in a pissing contest with the White >>> House, but doing pretty much what the White House recommends, with the >>> exception of looking at things by region. We only have two regions, >>> chicago, and people who voted for the current president at 1600. So the >>> whole of downstate will be punished for not voting the right way. When >>> asked about the data, for the "science" behind this, we were told the state >>> doesnt own the data, so we cant see it. >>> >>> I'm part of a foster parent group. One of the fosters is utterly destroyed >>> right now. Her prior ward, that she stayed in contact with died 3 days ago >>> at 15. He had returned home, but went back into the system during this (our >>> state, in its infinite wisdom has effectively shut down the foster support >>> system, non essential and all) he couldn't come back to her because she is >>> at capacity. He had cancer and was in a drug trial. He had been thriving. >>> The governors orders didnt allow for him to get access to the trial >>> resources, so he lost his trial spot, as is the nature of trials. There >>> were no resources available to get him into a linear treatment. 3 days ago >>> he succumbed to the complication. While anecdotal, this is exactly what the >>> cure being worse than the disease looks like. Granted, the speed at which >>> he declined from thriving to dead indicates underlying issues, the chicago >>> emperors orders made certain there were no resources. Right now, thanks to >>> the emperors orders, there are approximately zero resources available to >>> the foster families. Anticipate a whole lot of negative outcomes. >>> >>> Point is, everybody is more concerned about proving how wrong their >>> political enemy is, that nobody is even actually looking for what is right. >>> >>> Thankfully mother nature doesnt care and this will, like all ailments of >>> proximity, diminish in the next week or so. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Just listened (in part) to a discussion about COVID-19 as it regards >>>> China/US relations. It is a discussion between Dubner, Michèle Flournoy ( >>>> former undersecretary of defense and co-founder of strategic-advisory firm >>>> WestExec.), and Michael Auslin (historian at Stanford University’s Hoover >>>> Institution). >>>> >>>> Within the discussion Auslin asserts that the death toll within Wuhan >>>> alone was between 45 and 47 thousand; at least 10X what they have reported >>>> through official channels. He gets his data through croudsourcing >>>> crematoria activity and the number of people picking up urns of deceased >>>> family members. >>>> >>>> If you don't have time to listen to this, it is at least worth a read of >>>> the transcript. >>>> >>>> https://freakonomics.com/podcast/covid-19-china/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2020 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>> This virus doesn't care if you are a Republican, a Democrat, an >>>>> Independent, agnostic, religious or an atheist...if it gets you it might >>>>> kill you... >>>>> Stay smart, listen to doctors and scientists....not ineptus maximus >>>>> politicians. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> As we test more, we are undoubtedly going to find more cases that were >>>>>> previously going undetected (asymptomatic infection). This is a long way >>>>>> from over. The other thing we have not come to grips with is the uneven >>>>>> spread/mitigation. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was an interesting graphic for the state of California showing the >>>>>> state as a whole versus just the Bay Area (Mercury News this morning). >>>>>> The 7 counties around the bay instituted shelter in place very early, >>>>>> and it's beginning to show in the statistics. The Bay Area accounts for >>>>>> almost 18% of the entire state population (7 of the 40 million). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2020 8:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Might be Chebyshev BPF though... hopefully...Bessell. >>>>>>> Hopefully not high pass... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > !DSPAM:5ea4fd705986622617646! -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > !DSPAM:5ea4fd705986622617646!
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