We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_ autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.

On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the "driver's seat".

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point self-driving is widespread.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:

    I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway. 
     Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat
    is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and
    self driving cars last weekend.  What is the consequences of being
    under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a self driving
    car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the
    drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held
    responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And
    considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self
    driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the
    books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling
    to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm
    certainly not promoting that someone should do this but we all
    know it is going to be a court case that will be sent all the way
    to the top at some point.

    Craig

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    *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
    *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

    Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
    Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
    Implications for self driving cars?

    "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a
    greater sense of control over their environment that was
    accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent version of
    what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in humans," Lambert
    said in a statement.

    tl;dr – driving is fun

    
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
    *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
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    No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro
    drinking in the car.

    On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com
    <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

        German cars in general are very different but once you get
        used to their design quirks you miss them in American
        made/Japanese made cars.

        photograph

                

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        Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

            Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

            We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and
            the learning curve is looking steep.


            / Ryan Hill /

             Operations Manager

            *Amplex I**nternet*

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                On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
                <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> <ch...@wbmfg.com
                <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

                Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a
                couple hours West.  I am totally handicapped now with
                my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane keeping. 
                Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the
                cruise control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the
                wheel.

                I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have
                adaptive cruise control.  At least if it does I cannot
                figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was
                totally unintuitive. Had a weird touch pad thing in
                the center console.  Very difficult to program in a
                destination address.

                Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.

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