Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing a good side to the company. There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes. You always want to sell a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support. The blocking and tackling of being a company.

On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult balance to pull off.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

    We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
    that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
    autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very
    close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
    it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.

    On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
    It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
    caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The
    car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
    the passenger in the "driver's seat".

    I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
    point self-driving is widespread.



    On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
    <cr...@totalhighspeed.net <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:

I would agree. Especially since I am a control freak anyway. Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers
        seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion
        about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the
        consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
        the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the
        driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
        driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are
        not technically driving.  And considering this is just the
        beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
        do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm
        sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
        replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting
        that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
        a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
        point.

        Craig

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        *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
        *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

        Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
        Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
        Implications for self driving cars?

        "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had
        a greater sense of control over their environment that was
        accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent
        version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in
        humans," Lambert said in a statement.

        tl;dr – driving is fun

        
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
        *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

        No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro
        drinking in the car.

        On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com
        <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

            German cars in general are very different but once you get
            used to their design quirks you miss them in American
            made/Japanese made cars.

            photograph

                

            *Daniel White
            *Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations

            *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
            *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770


            Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

                Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

                We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend,
                and the learning curve is looking steep.


                / Ryan Hill /

                 Operations Manager

                *Amplex I**nternet*

                  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047

                www.amplex.net <http://www.amplex.net>



                    On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
                    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> <ch...@wbmfg.com
                    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

                    Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a
                    couple hours West.  I am totally handicapped now
                    with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
                    keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after
                    setting the cruise control.  Also am apt to take
                    my hands off the wheel.

                    I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have
                    adaptive cruise control.  At least if it does I
                    cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav
                    operation was totally unintuitive. Had a weird
                    touch pad thing in the center console.  Very
                    difficult to program in a destination address.

                    Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.

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