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They are operating more like a software company than a car
company. Their ability to roll out updates to cars in the field is
very un-Detroit. I don't know that they are trying to be different
so much as they look at problems with a distinctly different
perspective from existing ICE manufacturers. The fact that most of
the ICE manufacturers have been making cars for the better part of
a century also means that they might be slow on absorbing this new
reality.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/28/2019 9:08 AM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
The thing is, Tesla seems to be trying very hard to not behave like a car
company... and a lot of the time, it seems like they do things the way they
do just for the sake of being different.
I never dealt with the sales side of Tesla (I bought mine used from local
dealer), but I have to say that dealing with the service center was,
overall, a pretty good experience. The people there went out of their way
to be helpful.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:
Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real
sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing
a good side to the company. There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are
fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes. You always want to sell
a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can
ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support. The
blocking and tackling of being a company.
On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult
balance to pull off.
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
autopilot, the, now, $6K option. So basically the car can very
close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.
On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer. The
car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
the passenger in the "driver's seat".
I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
point self-driving is widespread.
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
<cr...@totalhighspeed.net <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
I would agree. Especially since I am a control freak anyway.
Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers
seat is too stressful for me. My family had a discussion
about DUI and self driving cars last weekend. What is the
consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
the wheel of a self driving car? If the car is doing the
driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI? They are
not technically driving. And considering this is just the
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
do states start putting laws on the books regarding this? I'm
sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
replace lost revenue from fines. I'm certainly not promoting
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
point.
Craig
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
Loops. Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
Implications for self driving cars?
"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had
a greater sense of control over their environment that was
accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent
version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in
humans," Lambert said in a statement.
tl;dr – driving is fun
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro
drinking in the car.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com
<mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
German cars in general are very different but once you get
used to their design quirks you miss them in American
made/Japanese made cars.
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Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:
Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend,
and the learning curve is looking steep.
/ Ryan Hill /
Operations Manager
*Amplex I**nternet*
(419)837-5015 Ext 1047
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a
couple hours West. I am totally handicapped now
with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
keeping. Just about rear-ended some cars after
setting the cruise control. Also am apt to take
my hands off the wheel.
I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have
adaptive cruise control. At least if it does I
cannot figure out how to use it. The sat-nav
operation was totally unintuitive. Had a weird
touch pad thing in the center console. Very
difficult to program in a destination address.
Never drove a Mercedes before. Not likely to again.
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