On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > how about "designed for productivity"?
Productivity. Security. Community. > > On Mar 15, 2:49 pm, mwolfe02 <michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> +1 Productivity by design >> >> On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto <web2py.n...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 2011/3/15 mart <msenecal...@gmail.com> >> >>>> Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, >> >>>> Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as >>>> mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in >>>> world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently >>>> than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my >>>> take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact >>>> telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of >>>> folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I >>>> want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of >>>> their software, I tend to speak about "what's exciting about web2py" >>>> and much less about "how it will help us be more productive". >>>> Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never >>>> would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing >>>> my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and >>>> associated resources & tools without showing conviction and >>>> excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about >>>> web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would >>>> have been able to to do any other way. >> >>>> Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH >>>> more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I >>>> like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things >>>> happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing >>>> things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this >>>> because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and >>>> get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). >> >>>> Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would >>>> choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something >>>> that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt >>>> impressive and great, but that would put me in "shopping mode" as >>>> opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... >> >>>> "what inspires you?" >> >>>> Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that >>>> aks a question like that? >> >>>> anyways, >> >>>> That's it, >>>> Mart :) >> >>>> On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony <abasta...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we >>>>> generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the >>>>> distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are >>>> some >>>>> things I think about when I think of web2py: >> >>>>> - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) >>>>> - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise >>>>> - Feature-packed, comprehensive >>>>> - Secure >>>>> - Stable (backwards compatible) >>>>> - User-focused >>>>> - Innovative >>>>> - Well integrated >>>>> - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast >>>> bug >>>>> fixes, responsive to user needs >>>>> - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive >>>>> - Professional, mature, serious >>>>> - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert >> >>>>> The book preface also provides some good inspiration: >>>> http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 >> >>>>> We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to >>>>> target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web >>>>> developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python >>>>> professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are >>>> new >>>>> to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or >>>>> external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; >>>> instructors >>>>> who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more >>>> about >>>>> different sets of attributes. >> >>>>> I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that >>>> it >>>>> is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem >>>> is, >>>>> when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, >>>> experts >>>>> might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their >>>>> needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and >>>>> productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be >>>> too >>>>> difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by >>>>> being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's >>>>> got something for everyone. >> >>>>> Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my >>>>> favorite proposal has been: >> >>>>> - "Productivity by Design" >> >>>>> Here are some other options: >> >>>>> - "web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines." >>>>> - "web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a >>>> web >>>>> app by now!" >> >>>>> Finally, although the term "enterprise" is sometimes misunderstood and >>>> even >>>>> mocked, it clearly appeals to some potential users because it suggests >>>> that >>>>> the framework is serious, stable, secure, professional, well-supported, >>>> etc. >>>>> So, even if we're dropping "enterprise" from the tagline, I think we >>>> should >>>>> still strive to communicate that aspect of the framework and community. >> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Anthony >> >>> (...tldr) >> >>> Web2Py: Productivity by Design >>> Python Integrated Web Framework
