Thanks all! >Voltron: Yeah - I agree with you about limiting the number of frameworks/tools/ languages, which is a rule in my team. We have enough to master: Web2py, Python, MySQL, Javascript, CSS... not to mention browser rendering quirks. Looking at Appcelerator - it would open a whole new/ old can of worms! I already use a few JQuery plugins and find these are great for rapid prototyping, as they are quick to implement and style. YUIs widgets are a bit slower to implement and often are painfully tricky to style right. Hopefully YUI 3 will fix this and make it easier for its community to write plugins akin to JQuery ones. Then I can switch my team to 3 without JQuery. :-( Or perhaps by that time JQuery will offer a better CSS grid solution, and we can ditch YUI. :-) I cant complain for having the choice!
>Billf: Thanks - thatś a good way - I often use redirects. Perhaps I am just being too lazy to take this approach all the time! Web2py certainly shares Pythons batteries included approach - so much so that it is easy to expect it to deliver everything! I hope others new to web2py read your example. Its crazy how the little things like redirects really help save a lot of time. But I guess web2py/T3 has me lusting for more! ;-) >Yarko: You should take these ideas further - I am curious about the dummy db concept + T2, but it is your ´data facade´ idea that really gets my interest!! I was thinking perhaps a forms module that can be called from any view. But I guess T2 does something similar without a module? Back to your data facade idea - ´decoupling basic form generation from application data development and structure´ - this is either totally off-track or you have found the solution!!! I really like it. If you are implying that there could be a way to generate layout components eg forms with web2py, and re-use these by connecting them to different controllers, then please elabourate. This could be like SQLFORM, but with fields/labels etc defined in the view, and connected to a controller - much like Billf has suggested but in reverse - pointing to a controller - not a view. Does this seem against the web2py way? It would allow rapid layout of forms, no errors, and isnt wasting code as the forms the developer is happy with could be connected and the others deleted. But compared to you I am a web2py noob, so tell me to stop now! TBH, we don't use many graphics in our app - but rather use a lot of CSS. (If only 3 were going to a standard soon! BTW, anyone check out HSS? http://ncannasse.fr/projects/hss It extends CSS to have variables amongst other features. I´m very keen to use it, but haven't found reviews yet and haven't had time to test it.) To do quick layouts I have even thought of making quick graphics of forms and placing these in views before coding them up in controllers. I tried Pencil http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/ but found it was just another solution that pushes my team away from learning web2py. I am wondering when the next YUI Grid Builder will meet T3 and allow the user to drop in widgets if not forms too. >T3: I can imagine T3 could simply start by doing something like read the template hierarchy of extends and includes, and like SQLDesigner render a nodal structure, but of a web site/apps views - even show which views have forms. If a form is moved to another view, prompt the user to update the name of the respective controller or make a redirect? But this could cause other issues... and I don't want web2py or T3 to become as bloated/complex/esoteric as Zope/Plone! I guess there isn't much reason other than time/money that the current web2py Layout Builder couldn't be extended to do this now? Rather than just one page being laid out, an entire applications views could be, if not someday allowing forms etc to be dropped int too. But again, it seems T3 is heading there quicker than we can dream it. For now, I'm really happy to be reading your insights to help me and my team. Please keep them flowing!!! thanks, Noob PS If sometimes I seem to jump right into a discussion rather than work through the people - I blame it on the long hours/startup! ;-) I really enjoy reading the ideas here! I don't ever want to appear to be treading over others opinions. It´s not my intent. I really like this framework and group. We are building a great framework together. :D --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
