....re: Gut: I'd also add that sometimes "gut" reacts to the unfamiliar - so it's good to approach with openness.
On Oct 29, 5:26 pm, "Yarko T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This may be worth looking at; I think this is a part of the discussin in a > way:http://pubsub.sourceforge.net/concepts.html > > Anyway, Publish / Subscribe could be useful. > > Another thing I'm just realizing is that the client end, and flexibility in > achieving a look is going to be an ongoing challenge. > > W/ Massimo's Google Checkout work, I'm going to start a blog on "migrating > an existing site" to web2py. > > This is interesting because, in general, design will be handed to someone by > a designer - like taking an existing layout, and adapting it to be run by > web2py. I haven't thought too much about this, but will be taking > this site as the topic - largely because of it's interest in design: > > http://www.unitytemple-utrf.org/ > > Meanwhile - every time I hear what's good, what's not, I keep looking for > "why do you think?" and "what do you propose that would be better?" Having > said that, there is room for gut - as often we can "tell" when something is > right / not right before we can talk about why. > > Cheers, > Yarko > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Timothy Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While we're expressing opinions, here's mine: > > > Achipa's post is subjective; but I would listen to 10 years of expertise > > that formed any opinion. While I don't have 10 years, I can see what > > lock-in can do (I'm trying to dig my company out of IBM lock-in). Besides, > > criticizing a concept is more valid than criticizing a particular product > > because it shows that the critique is based on reason rather than emotion. > > > But those frameworks are here and its better to take advantage of them than > > to ignore them. > > > This statement assumes a surplus of programming hours. > > > -tim > > > JorgeRpo wrote: > > > Well I havent used appcelerator either. > > > But I found your opinion very personal and subjective. I am not going > > to argue your points at this time. > > > You dont seem to be criticzicing appcelerator buth the logic behind > > its existence. > > > So you dont agree neither with MS Silverlight, Mozilla Prism, Google > > GWT, and others. > > > But those frameworks are here and its better to take advantage of them > > than to ignore them. > > > On Oct 29, 9:54 am, achipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > <disclaimer> > > I have not used appcelerator in any real life projects and just went > > through the docs/tutorials/screencasts. I did use half a dozen web > > oriented languages, frameworks and templating systems in the past ten > > years. > > </disclaimer> > > > Hate to be the Yin of all topics, but I find appceletator to be a bit > > heavy on the buzz side. What I think is the worst error in the concept > > is the Web Expression Language part. It somehow feels super cool and > > super wrong to me at the same time. It reintroduces program logic in > > places people were fighting years to get it out of, and doing it in an > > unreadable form (as it pretends to be html for syntax purposes, which > > is worse than any JS toolkit). This means two more things IMO - *real* > > designers won't be able to touch it, and it will have a strong lock-in > > factor as a design/UI made in it cannot be ported to any other > > framework (which is why all the JS toolkits actually make sense as you > > can adapt them to any underlying backend). 5 years ago I'd be super > > impressed with appcelerator, but now it seems to me as an approach > > with a dark side potential. Conceptually, it feels a lot like > > (Open)Laszlo, also a super cool and simultaneously super wrong > > approach. > > > On Oct 29, 2:04 pm, mdipierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thank you for your comments. > > > I like appcelerator. I am reserving time over the christmas break to > > learn more about it. Something may happen. > > > Massimo > > > On Oct 29, 2:38 am, Dunsun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > It would be great to integrate Appcelerator with web2py. > > It would give us a superiority over all other frameworks. > > Web2py is clearly the best framework for python and Appcelerator is > > easy and very efficient way to add RIA and SOA to web2py. > > > Any plans for the future ? > > Thank you. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
