This may be worth looking at; I think this is a part of the discussin in a way: http://pubsub.sourceforge.net/concepts.html
Anyway, Publish / Subscribe could be useful. Another thing I'm just realizing is that the client end, and flexibility in achieving a look is going to be an ongoing challenge. W/ Massimo's Google Checkout work, I'm going to start a blog on "migrating an existing site" to web2py. This is interesting because, in general, design will be handed to someone by a designer - like taking an existing layout, and adapting it to be run by web2py. I haven't thought too much about this, but will be taking this site as the topic - largely because of it's interest in design: http://www.unitytemple-utrf.org/ Meanwhile - every time I hear what's good, what's not, I keep looking for "why do you think?" and "what do you propose that would be better?" Having said that, there is room for gut - as often we can "tell" when something is right / not right before we can talk about why. Cheers, Yarko On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Timothy Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we're expressing opinions, here's mine: > > Achipa's post is subjective; but I would listen to 10 years of expertise > that formed any opinion. While I don't have 10 years, I can see what > lock-in can do (I'm trying to dig my company out of IBM lock-in). Besides, > criticizing a concept is more valid than criticizing a particular product > because it shows that the critique is based on reason rather than emotion. > > But those frameworks are here and its better to take advantage of them than > to ignore them. > > This statement assumes a surplus of programming hours. > > -tim > > > JorgeRpo wrote: > > Well I havent used appcelerator either. > > But I found your opinion very personal and subjective. I am not going > to argue your points at this time. > > You dont seem to be criticzicing appcelerator buth the logic behind > its existence. > > So you dont agree neither with MS Silverlight, Mozilla Prism, Google > GWT, and others. > > But those frameworks are here and its better to take advantage of them > than to ignore them. > > > On Oct 29, 9:54 am, achipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > <disclaimer> > I have not used appcelerator in any real life projects and just went > through the docs/tutorials/screencasts. I did use half a dozen web > oriented languages, frameworks and templating systems in the past ten > years. > </disclaimer> > > Hate to be the Yin of all topics, but I find appceletator to be a bit > heavy on the buzz side. What I think is the worst error in the concept > is the Web Expression Language part. It somehow feels super cool and > super wrong to me at the same time. It reintroduces program logic in > places people were fighting years to get it out of, and doing it in an > unreadable form (as it pretends to be html for syntax purposes, which > is worse than any JS toolkit). This means two more things IMO - *real* > designers won't be able to touch it, and it will have a strong lock-in > factor as a design/UI made in it cannot be ported to any other > framework (which is why all the JS toolkits actually make sense as you > can adapt them to any underlying backend). 5 years ago I'd be super > impressed with appcelerator, but now it seems to me as an approach > with a dark side potential. Conceptually, it feels a lot like > (Open)Laszlo, also a super cool and simultaneously super wrong > approach. > > On Oct 29, 2:04 pm, mdipierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > > I like appcelerator. I am reserving time over the christmas break to > learn more about it. Something may happen. > > > Massimo > > > On Oct 29, 2:38 am, Dunsun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > It would be great to integrate Appcelerator with web2py. > It would give us a superiority over all other frameworks. > Web2py is clearly the best framework for python and Appcelerator is > easy and very efficient way to add RIA and SOA to web2py. > > > Any plans for the future ? > Thank you. > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
