That is great! What is the word on the blue logo used in the WIAB interface (top-left corner)?
—Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro On Apr 8, 2011 2:41 AM, "Soren Lassen" <so...@google.com> wrote: > I have looked into the matter. Sorry it took so long, but Google has > now decided to license the circles-and-arrows variant with a > permissive Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) license, which allows > everyone to use it on tee shirts, mugs, software, webpages, etc. See: > > http://www.waveprotocol.org/logo > > In August 2010 we began using this variant of the logo in connection > with the wave protocol and open source on the waveprotocol.org site. > Now everyone can use it. > > Soren > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Michael MacFadden > <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Not that I am against any of the suggestions mentioned, but have we contacted google on the license on the existing logos yet? >> >> ~Michael >> >> On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jérémy Naegel wrote: >> >>> I like it too! Nice work Paul! >>> >>> I'm just concerned it might still be too close to the Google Wave logo... >>> I hope we'll have some Google-insider clarification on what we can / can't >>> use. >>> >>> Jeremy Naegel >>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> 2011/3/30 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> It looks nice, I like it. I also like that it looks good on different >>>> backgrounds. >>>> Would you like to submit a patch? If you wish I can include the updated >>>> logo >>>> in my patch that updates the WIAB login page. >>>> Yuri >>>> >>>> 2011/3/30 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>> >>>>> Ok here is a simplified and rationalised version of the existing logo. >>>>> >>>>> The main change is it is slightly less fussy. The is one vanishing point >>>>> and it >>>>> actually follows a sine function. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It should look good on different background colours such as grey. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 20:52:53 >>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>> >>>>> By the way, what about something hand-drawn ? Like: http://goo.gl/zNbeSor >>>>> http://goo.gl/PEOFp >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/3/25 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>> >>>>>> I actually started with the original logo as a guide. I give it another >>>>> go. >>>>>> The >>>>>> main thing to note is the odd perspective used (which stood out from >>>> the >>>>>> first >>>>>> google IO) and the psuedo sine wave especially in protocol one which is >>>>>> more >>>>>> like saw tooth with rounded corners. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The perspective sort works on the gwave/fedone log sort of works >>>> becuase >>>>> it >>>>>> looks like it is bent round and tapered in at least two directions >>>> (which >>>>>> sort >>>>>> of was inspiration). In the protocol doesn't really work as it is >>>>>> orthographic/flat yet it naively tries to follow the same perspective. >>>>> The >>>>>> middle section is a bit picasso. >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree simple is best I will come up with something similar to the >>>>> fedone >>>>>> logo >>>>>> with the same colors, just a rework of the form give it depth as you >>>> say. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 18:47:49 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the best >>>>>> option to have an easily readable and understandable logo. >>>>>> If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is >>>> unlimited >>>>>> possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice looking >>>>>> logo >>>>>> that will evoke Wave's legacy. >>>>>> >>>>>> See for example how those companies have managed to make something both >>>>>> simple and original from a simple sine function shape : >>>>>> http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97 >>>>>> http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php >>>>>> >>>>>> or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to another >>>>> to >>>>>> add some depth : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D >>>>>> D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an interesting design. Not that I do not like your logo, but >>>> I >>>>>>> prefer the simplicity of the current logo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slight correction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the >>>>>>>> filter/effects >>>>>>>> it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the >>>>> feather >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>> really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway. >>>>>>>> Probably >>>>>>>> simple is best. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the >>>>>>>> perspective/form of the wave. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not >>>>> apache >>>>>>> wave >>>>>>>> (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm). >>>> Hence >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a >>>>>>>> implementation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not >>>>> safe >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> unoriginal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from >>>>> that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yuri, I truly hope you're right! >>>>>>>> If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>> Wave. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo : >>>>>>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and >>>>> circles) >>>>>>>> featured here : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html >>>>>>>> And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here : >>>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in >>>>> the >>>>>>>> Project informations? >>>>>>>> Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers ( >>>>>>>> http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and >>>>>>>> http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking >>>>> as >>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>> as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure >>>> harmonic >>>>>> wave >>>>>>>> signal) I talked about earlier : >>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yuri, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should >>>> at >>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>> be in the running. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~Michael >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the >>>>>>>> beginning, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave >>>> uses >>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>> logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is >>>> the >>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is >>>> used >>>>> by >>>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> a Box. >>>>>>>>>> I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead >>>> of >>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>> ahead and changing it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the >>>>>>> beginning, >>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source >>>>>>>> friendly >>>>>>>>>>> licence! >>>>>>>>>>> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their >>>>>>>>>>> technological affiliation without the ability to add a >>>> "powered >>>>>> by" >>>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>>> Protocol logo? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from >>>> scratch, >>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with >>>>>> design >>>>>>>>>>> talents... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I >>>>> think >>>>>>>> that, >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to >>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>>> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to >>>>>> avoid >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a >>>>> new >>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple >>>>>>> examples >>>>>>>>>>> attached here. Even if on first look it may look quite >>>> similar >>>>> to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>>> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the >>>> Wave >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>>> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright : >>>>>>>>>>> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the >>>> wave >>>>>>> signal >>>>>>>>>>> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left >>>> first >>>>>>> part >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the >>>>>>>> specificities >>>>>>>>>>> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright. >>>>>>>>>>> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the >>>>>>>>> *y=4sin(x)*function. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>>> W logo? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a >>>> wave >>>>>>>> shape. >>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as >>>> the >>>>>>>> direct >>>>>>>>>>>> association is not there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape >>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>>>> plain >>>>>>>>>>>> svg. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Apache Wave proposal >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> states that: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE" >>>> and >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache >>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>>>> project." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache >>>> Wave. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Soren >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts >>>>>>>>>>>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave >>>>>>>> protocol >>>>>>>>>>>> logo? >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathanael Abbotts >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >>
