Thank very much Soren. That is good to hear. Personally I think that logo isn't
well designed, at lower scale it is quite muddy (impossible as as favicon). If folks like the rationalised form I did, then I could tweak it so it doesn't contravene the old fed one logo (which is basically down to colours/tones and order of them). I could maybe incorporate some of the concept in the protocol logo (although that would be for the large scale logo only) ----- Original Message ---- From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 7:19:24 Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo I have looked into the matter. Sorry it took so long, but Google has now decided to license the circles-and-arrows variant with a permissive Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) license, which allows everyone to use it on tee shirts, mugs, software, webpages, etc. See: http://www.waveprotocol.org/logo In August 2010 we began using this variant of the logo in connection with the wave protocol and open source on the waveprotocol.org site. Now everyone can use it. Soren On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not that I am against any of the suggestions mentioned, but have we contacted >google on the license on the existing logos yet? > > ~Michael > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jérémy Naegel wrote: > >> I like it too! Nice work Paul! >> >> I'm just concerned it might still be too close to the Google Wave logo... >> I hope we'll have some Google-insider clarification on what we can / can't >> use. >> >> Jeremy Naegel >> wave-france.blogspot.com >> >> >> 2011/3/30 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> >> >>> It looks nice, I like it. I also like that it looks good on different >>> backgrounds. >>> Would you like to submit a patch? If you wish I can include the updated >>> logo >>> in my patch that updates the WIAB login page. >>> Yuri >>> >>> 2011/3/30 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>> >>>> Ok here is a simplified and rationalised version of the existing logo. >>>> >>>> The main change is it is slightly less fussy. The is one vanishing point >>>> and it >>>> actually follows a sine function. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It should look good on different background colours such as grey. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 20:52:53 >>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>> >>>> By the way, what about something hand-drawn ? Like: http://goo.gl/zNbeSor >>>> http://goo.gl/PEOFp >>>> >>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/3/25 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>> >>>>> I actually started with the original logo as a guide. I give it another >>>> go. >>>>> The >>>>> main thing to note is the odd perspective used (which stood out from >>> the >>>>> first >>>>> google IO) and the psuedo sine wave especially in protocol one which is >>>>> more >>>>> like saw tooth with rounded corners. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The perspective sort works on the gwave/fedone log sort of works >>> becuase >>>> it >>>>> looks like it is bent round and tapered in at least two directions >>> (which >>>>> sort >>>>> of was inspiration). In the protocol doesn't really work as it is >>>>> orthographic/flat yet it naively tries to follow the same perspective. >>>> The >>>>> middle section is a bit picasso. >>>>> >>>>> I agree simple is best I will come up with something similar to the >>>> fedone >>>>> logo >>>>> with the same colors, just a rework of the form give it depth as you >>> say. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 18:47:49 >>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>> >>>>> I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the best >>>>> option to have an easily readable and understandable logo. >>>>> If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is >>> unlimited >>>>> possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice looking >>>>> logo >>>>> that will evoke Wave's legacy. >>>>> >>>>> See for example how those companies have managed to make something both >>>>> simple and original from a simple sine function shape : >>>>> http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97 >>>>> http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php >>>>> >>>>> or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to another >>>> to >>>>> add some depth : >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D >>> >>>D >>>>> D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> This is an interesting design. Not that I do not like your logo, but >>> I >>>>>> prefer the simplicity of the current logo. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Slight correction >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the >>>>>>> filter/effects >>>>>>> it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the >>>> feather >>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>> really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway. >>>>>>> Probably >>>>>>> simple is best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the >>>>>>> perspective/form of the wave. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not >>>> apache >>>>>> wave >>>>>>> (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm). >>> Hence >>>>> the >>>>>>> dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a >>>>>>> implementation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not >>>> safe >>>>>> and >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> unoriginal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from >>>> that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yuri, I truly hope you're right! >>>>>>> If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for >>>>>> Apache >>>>>>> Wave. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo : >>>>>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and >>>> circles) >>>>>>> featured here : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html >>>>>>> And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here : >>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in >>>> the >>>>>>> Project informations? >>>>>>> Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers ( >>>>>>> http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and >>>>>>> http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking >>>> as >>>>>>> close >>>>>>> as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure >>> harmonic >>>>> wave >>>>>>> signal) I talked about earlier : >>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yuri, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should >>> at >>>>>> least >>>>>>>> be in the running. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~Michael >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the >>>>>>> beginning, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave >>> uses >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>> logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is >>> the >>>>> logo >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is >>> used >>>> by >>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> a Box. >>>>>>>>> I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead >>> of >>>>>> going >>>>>>>>> ahead and changing it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the >>>>>> beginning, >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source >>>>>>> friendly >>>>>>>>>> licence! >>>>>>>>>> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their >>>>>>>>>> technological affiliation without the ability to add a >>> "powered >>>>> by" >>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>> Protocol logo? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from >>> scratch, >>>>> I'll >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with >>>>> design >>>>>>>>>> talents... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I >>>> think >>>>>>> that, >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to >>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to >>>>> avoid >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a >>>> new >>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple >>>>>> examples >>>>>>>>>> attached here. Even if on first look it may look quite >>> similar >>>> to >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the >>> Wave >>>>> and >>>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright : >>>>>>>>>> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the >>> wave >>>>>> signal >>>>>>>>>> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left >>> first >>>>>> part >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the >>>>>>> specificities >>>>>>>>>> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright. >>>>>>>>>> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the >>>>>>>> *y=4sin(x)*function. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling >>>> the >>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>> W logo? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a >>> wave >>>>>>> shape. >>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as >>> the >>>>>>> direct >>>>>>>>>>> association is not there. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape >>> as >>>> a >>>>>>> plain >>>>>>>>>>> svg. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Apache Wave proposal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> states that: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE" >>> and >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache >>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>>> project." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache >>> Wave. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Soren >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts >>>>>>>>>>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave >>>>>>> protocol >>>>>>>>>>> logo? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Nathanael Abbotts >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts) >>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > >
