I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the best
option to have an easily readable and understandable logo.
If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is unlimited
possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice looking logo
that will evoke Wave's legacy.

See for example how those companies have managed to make something both
simple and original from a simple sine function shape :
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97
http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php

or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to another to
add some depth :
http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D

*I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!*


Jeremy Naegel
wave-france.blogspot.com


2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com>

> This is an interesting design.  Not that I do not like your logo, but I
> prefer the simplicity of the current logo.
>
> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Slight correction
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> > To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05
> > Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >
> > Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the
> > filter/effects
> > it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the feather
> > didn't
> > really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway.
> > Probably
> > simple is best.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> > To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28
> > Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >
> > The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the
> > perspective/form of the wave.
> >
> >
> > The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not apache
> wave
> > (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm). Hence the
> > dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a
> > implementation.
> >
> >
> > The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not safe
> and
> > also
> > unoriginal.
> >
> > I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com>
> > To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03
> > Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >
> > Yuri, I truly hope you're right!
> > If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for
> Apache
> > Wave.
> >
> > Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point?
> >
> > We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo :
> > http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png
> >
> > But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and circles)
> > featured here :
> >
> >
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html
> > And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here :
> > http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/
> >
> > Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in the
> > Project informations?
> > Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers (
> > http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and
> > http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png )
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > Jeremy Naegel
> > wave-france.blogspot.com
> >
> > PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking as
> > close
> > as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure harmonic wave
> > signal) I talked about earlier :
> > http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Yuri,
> > >
> > > I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should at
> least
> > > be in the running.
> > >
> > > ~Michael
> > >
> > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the
> > beginning,
> > > and
> > > > I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave uses
> > > different
> > > > logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is the logo
> > > that
> > > > Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is used by
> > Wave
> > > in
> > > > a Box.
> > > > I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead of
> going
> > > > ahead and changing it.
> > > >
> > > > 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the
> beginning,
> > > I'm
> > > >> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source
> > friendly
> > > >> licence!
> > > >> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their
> > > >> technological affiliation without the ability to add a "powered by"
> > Wave
> > > >> Protocol logo?
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from scratch, I'll
> > be
> > > >> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with design
> > > >> talents...
> > > >>
> > > >> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I think
> > that,
> > > for
> > > >> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to Apache
> > > >> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to avoid
> > the
> > > new
> > > >> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a new
> > logo
> > > that
> > > >> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple
> examples
> > > >> attached here.  Even if on first look it may look quite similar to
> the
> > > Wave
> > > >> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the Wave and
> > > Wave
> > > >> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright :
> > > >> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the wave
> signal
> > > >> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left first
> part
> > of
> > > the
> > > >> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter.
> > > >>
> > > >> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the
> > specificities
> > > >> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright.
> > > >> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the
> > > *y=4sin(x)*function.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling the
> > > original
> > > >> W logo?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeremy Naegel
> > > >> wave-france.blogspot.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a wave
> > shape.
> > > So
> > > >>> there
> > > >>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as the
> > direct
> > > >>> association is not there.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape as a
> > plain
> > > >>> svg.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > > >>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com>
> > > >>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > >>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00
> > > >>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The Apache Wave proposal
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal
> > > >>>
> > > >>> states that:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE" and the
> > > >>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache Wave
> > > >>> project."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache Wave.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Soren
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts
> > > >>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave
> > protocol
> > > >>> logo?
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Nathanael Abbotts
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com
> > > >>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org
> > > >>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts)
> > > >>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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