I seem to recall some back and forth on the wave protocol logo and the fed one logo (on this thread). Just wasn't sure if we came to a conclusion on that.
~Michael On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Lennard de Rijk wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 16:24, Michael MacFadden > <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not that I am against any of the suggestions mentioned, but have we contacted > google on the license on the existing logos yet? > > > Which existing logos are you referring to? > > Greetings, > Lennard > > ~Michael > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jérémy Naegel wrote: > > > I like it too! Nice work Paul! > > > > I'm just concerned it might still be too close to the Google Wave logo... > > I hope we'll have some Google-insider clarification on what we can / can't > > use. > > > > Jeremy Naegel > > wave-france.blogspot.com > > > > > > 2011/3/30 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> > > > >> It looks nice, I like it. I also like that it looks good on different > >> backgrounds. > >> Would you like to submit a patch? If you wish I can include the updated > >> logo > >> in my patch that updates the WIAB login page. > >> Yuri > >> > >> 2011/3/30 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >> > >>> Ok here is a simplified and rationalised version of the existing logo. > >>> > >>> The main change is it is slightly less fussy. The is one vanishing point > >>> and it > >>> actually follows a sine function. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> It should look good on different background colours such as grey. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 20:52:53 > >>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>> > >>> By the way, what about something hand-drawn ? Like: http://goo.gl/zNbeSor > >>> http://goo.gl/PEOFp > >>> > >>> Jeremy Naegel > >>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2011/3/25 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>> > >>>> I actually started with the original logo as a guide. I give it another > >>> go. > >>>> The > >>>> main thing to note is the odd perspective used (which stood out from > >> the > >>>> first > >>>> google IO) and the psuedo sine wave especially in protocol one which is > >>>> more > >>>> like saw tooth with rounded corners. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The perspective sort works on the gwave/fedone log sort of works > >> becuase > >>> it > >>>> looks like it is bent round and tapered in at least two directions > >> (which > >>>> sort > >>>> of was inspiration). In the protocol doesn't really work as it is > >>>> orthographic/flat yet it naively tries to follow the same perspective. > >>> The > >>>> middle section is a bit picasso. > >>>> > >>>> I agree simple is best I will come up with something similar to the > >>> fedone > >>>> logo > >>>> with the same colors, just a rework of the form give it depth as you > >> say. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 18:47:49 > >>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>> > >>>> I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the best > >>>> option to have an easily readable and understandable logo. > >>>> If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is > >> unlimited > >>>> possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice looking > >>>> logo > >>>> that will evoke Wave's legacy. > >>>> > >>>> See for example how those companies have managed to make something both > >>>> simple and original from a simple sine function shape : > >>>> http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97 > >>>> http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php > >>>> > >>>> or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to another > >>> to > >>>> add some depth : > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D > >>>> D > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!* > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> > >>>> > >>>>> This is an interesting design. Not that I do not like your logo, but > >> I > >>>>> prefer the simplicity of the current logo. > >>>>> > >>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Slight correction > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05 > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the > >>>>>> filter/effects > >>>>>> it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the > >>> feather > >>>>>> didn't > >>>>>> really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway. > >>>>>> Probably > >>>>>> simple is best. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28 > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the > >>>>>> perspective/form of the wave. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not > >>> apache > >>>>> wave > >>>>>> (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm). > >> Hence > >>>> the > >>>>>> dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a > >>>>>> implementation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not > >>> safe > >>>>> and > >>>>>> also > >>>>>> unoriginal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from > >>> that. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03 > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yuri, I truly hope you're right! > >>>>>> If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for > >>>>> Apache > >>>>>> Wave. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo : > >>>>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and > >>> circles) > >>>>>> featured here : > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html > >>>>>> And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here : > >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in > >>> the > >>>>>> Project informations? > >>>>>> Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers ( > >>>>>> http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and > >>>>>> http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png ) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks in advance. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking > >>> as > >>>>>> close > >>>>>> as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure > >> harmonic > >>>> wave > >>>>>> signal) I talked about earlier : > >>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yuri, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should > >> at > >>>>> least > >>>>>>> be in the running. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ~Michael > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the > >>>>>> beginning, > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave > >> uses > >>>>>>> different > >>>>>>>> logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is > >> the > >>>> logo > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is > >> used > >>> by > >>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> a Box. > >>>>>>>> I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead > >> of > >>>>> going > >>>>>>>> ahead and changing it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the > >>>>> beginning, > >>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source > >>>>>> friendly > >>>>>>>>> licence! > >>>>>>>>> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their > >>>>>>>>> technological affiliation without the ability to add a > >> "powered > >>>> by" > >>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>> Protocol logo? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from > >> scratch, > >>>> I'll > >>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with > >>>> design > >>>>>>>>> talents... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I > >>> think > >>>>>> that, > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to > >>>> Apache > >>>>>>>>> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to > >>>> avoid > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>>> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a > >>> new > >>>>>> logo > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple > >>>>> examples > >>>>>>>>> attached here. Even if on first look it may look quite > >> similar > >>> to > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the > >> Wave > >>>> and > >>>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright : > >>>>>>>>> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the > >> wave > >>>>> signal > >>>>>>>>> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left > >> first > >>>>> part > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the > >>>>>> specificities > >>>>>>>>> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright. > >>>>>>>>> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the > >>>>>>> *y=4sin(x)*function. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling > >>> the > >>>>>>> original > >>>>>>>>> W logo? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a > >> wave > >>>>>> shape. > >>>>>>> So > >>>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as > >> the > >>>>>> direct > >>>>>>>>>> association is not there. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape > >> as > >>> a > >>>>>> plain > >>>>>>>>>> svg. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>>>>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> > >>>>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00 > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The Apache Wave proposal > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> states that: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE" > >> and > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache > >>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>>> project." > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache > >> Wave. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Soren > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts > >>>>>>>>>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave > >>>>>> protocol > >>>>>>>>>> logo? > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Nathanael Abbotts > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org > >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts) > >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >
