Thanks a lot for solving this question Soren! Jeremy Naegel http://wave-france.blogspot.com
2011/4/8 Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> > I have looked into the matter. Sorry it took so long, but Google has > now decided to license the circles-and-arrows variant with a > permissive Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) license, which allows > everyone to use it on tee shirts, mugs, software, webpages, etc. See: > > http://www.waveprotocol.org/logo > > In August 2010 we began using this variant of the logo in connection > with the wave protocol and open source on the waveprotocol.org site. > Now everyone can use it. > > Soren > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Michael MacFadden > <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Not that I am against any of the suggestions mentioned, but have we > contacted google on the license on the existing logos yet? > > > > ~Michael > > > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jérémy Naegel wrote: > > > >> I like it too! Nice work Paul! > >> > >> I'm just concerned it might still be too close to the Google Wave > logo... > >> I hope we'll have some Google-insider clarification on what we can / > can't > >> use. > >> > >> Jeremy Naegel > >> wave-france.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> 2011/3/30 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> > >> > >>> It looks nice, I like it. I also like that it looks good on different > >>> backgrounds. > >>> Would you like to submit a patch? If you wish I can include the updated > >>> logo > >>> in my patch that updates the WIAB login page. > >>> Yuri > >>> > >>> 2011/3/30 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>> > >>>> Ok here is a simplified and rationalised version of the existing logo. > >>>> > >>>> The main change is it is slightly less fussy. The is one vanishing > point > >>>> and it > >>>> actually follows a sine function. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It should look good on different background colours such as grey. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 20:52:53 > >>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>> > >>>> By the way, what about something hand-drawn ? Like: > http://goo.gl/zNbeSor > >>>> http://goo.gl/PEOFp > >>>> > >>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2011/3/25 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>> > >>>>> I actually started with the original logo as a guide. I give it > another > >>>> go. > >>>>> The > >>>>> main thing to note is the odd perspective used (which stood out from > >>> the > >>>>> first > >>>>> google IO) and the psuedo sine wave especially in protocol one which > is > >>>>> more > >>>>> like saw tooth with rounded corners. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The perspective sort works on the gwave/fedone log sort of works > >>> becuase > >>>> it > >>>>> looks like it is bent round and tapered in at least two directions > >>> (which > >>>>> sort > >>>>> of was inspiration). In the protocol doesn't really work as it is > >>>>> orthographic/flat yet it naively tries to follow the same > perspective. > >>>> The > >>>>> middle section is a bit picasso. > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree simple is best I will come up with something similar to the > >>>> fedone > >>>>> logo > >>>>> with the same colors, just a rework of the form give it depth as you > >>> say. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 18:47:49 > >>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the > best > >>>>> option to have an easily readable and understandable logo. > >>>>> If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is > >>> unlimited > >>>>> possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice > looking > >>>>> logo > >>>>> that will evoke Wave's legacy. > >>>>> > >>>>> See for example how those companies have managed to make something > both > >>>>> simple and original from a simple sine function shape : > >>>>> http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97 > >>>>> http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php > >>>>> > >>>>> or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to > another > >>>> to > >>>>> add some depth : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D > >>>>> D > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!* > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is an interesting design. Not that I do not like your logo, > but > >>> I > >>>>>> prefer the simplicity of the current logo. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Slight correction > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the > >>>>>>> filter/effects > >>>>>>> it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the > >>>> feather > >>>>>>> didn't > >>>>>>> really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway. > >>>>>>> Probably > >>>>>>> simple is best. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the > >>>>>>> perspective/form of the wave. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not > >>>> apache > >>>>>> wave > >>>>>>> (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm). > >>> Hence > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a > >>>>>>> implementation. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not > >>>> safe > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>> also > >>>>>>> unoriginal. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from > >>>> that. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yuri, I truly hope you're right! > >>>>>>> If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for > >>>>>> Apache > >>>>>>> Wave. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo : > >>>>>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and > >>>> circles) > >>>>>>> featured here : > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html > >>>>>>> And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here : > >>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in > >>>> the > >>>>>>> Project informations? > >>>>>>> Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers ( > >>>>>>> http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and > >>>>>>> http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png ) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking > >>>> as > >>>>>>> close > >>>>>>> as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure > >>> harmonic > >>>>> wave > >>>>>>> signal) I talked about earlier : > >>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yuri, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should > >>> at > >>>>>> least > >>>>>>>> be in the running. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~Michael > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the > >>>>>>> beginning, > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave > >>> uses > >>>>>>>> different > >>>>>>>>> logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is > >>> the > >>>>> logo > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>> Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is > >>> used > >>>> by > >>>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> a Box. > >>>>>>>>> I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead > >>> of > >>>>>> going > >>>>>>>>> ahead and changing it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the > >>>>>> beginning, > >>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source > >>>>>>> friendly > >>>>>>>>>> licence! > >>>>>>>>>> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their > >>>>>>>>>> technological affiliation without the ability to add a > >>> "powered > >>>>> by" > >>>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>>> Protocol logo? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from > >>> scratch, > >>>>> I'll > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with > >>>>> design > >>>>>>>>>> talents... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I > >>>> think > >>>>>>> that, > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to > >>>>> Apache > >>>>>>>>>> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to > >>>>> avoid > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>>>> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a > >>>> new > >>>>>>> logo > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple > >>>>>> examples > >>>>>>>>>> attached here. Even if on first look it may look quite > >>> similar > >>>> to > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>>> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the > >>> Wave > >>>>> and > >>>>>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>>> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright : > >>>>>>>>>> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the > >>> wave > >>>>>> signal > >>>>>>>>>> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left > >>> first > >>>>>> part > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the > >>>>>>> specificities > >>>>>>>>>> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright. > >>>>>>>>>> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the > >>>>>>>> *y=4sin(x)*function. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> original > >>>>>>>>>> W logo? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel > >>>>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a > >>> wave > >>>>>>> shape. > >>>>>>>> So > >>>>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as > >>> the > >>>>>>> direct > >>>>>>>>>>> association is not there. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape > >>> as > >>>> a > >>>>>>> plain > >>>>>>>>>>> svg. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> > >>>>>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00 > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The Apache Wave proposal > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> states that: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE" > >>> and > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache > >>>>> Wave > >>>>>>>>>>> project." > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache > >>> Wave. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Soren > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts > >>>>>>>>>>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave > >>>>>>> protocol > >>>>>>>>>>> logo? > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nathanael Abbotts > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts) > >>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > > > > >
