There are "thin" VNC clients available, too.
On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 04:44, Anthony Berot wrote:
> Llike VNC, Citrix just sends the screen images and input commands unlike Citrix the
>is no neeed for an operating system or hard drive on the clients machile.
> Citrix is a true thin client OS which does all the processing at the server.
> Anthony
> John Roland Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But then you'd still
>be running Windows. VMware virutalizes the underlying
> hardware not the OS. Do you think that Windows would be more stable, faster,
> cheaper, prettier or in any way better on a virtual PC that it is on a
> physical one?
>
> If the goal is to have non-Windows machines masquerading as Windows machines
> as Citrix WinFrame/Metaframe/ allows but without the outrageous Citrix price
> tag, what's the matter with a RDP client for Linux or Java running against
> Windows NT Terminal Server Edition or Windows 2000 Terminal Services. Wait
> ... somebody already did that: http://www.rdesktop.org and
> http://www.hobsoft.com/products/jwt/jwt.html.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ScanMan"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
>
>
> > I have a better idea. You could run a Linux Xvnc server that would allow
> > you to login, and would then run VMware (www.vmware.com) for you and
> > make it look like you were on Windows. You would need an awful lot of
> > RAM, but it would be cool if you could get something like that working.
> >
> > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 10:15, Christopher Koeber wrote:
> > > Oh, didn't know that about Windows, thanks! So, if we could get Windows
> to
> > > run multiple GUI's at the same time, would that be a good solution. We
> could
> > > create partitions on the server for each user and then let each user
> have
> > > thier own central hard drive. I think windows is stuck on having one
> > > partition or hard drive contain much of the files that make the system
> work.
> > > If we could change that to have multiplte "central" hard drives or
> > > partitions and have multiple GUI's, would that be a viable solution?
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Christopher
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Warren"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
> > >
> > >
> > > > Windows 95/98/ME boot into real mode, load a slightly modified version
> of
> > > > DOS, then load the Win32 environment on top. Win9x is still
> (potentially)
> > > > reliant on realmode 16bit drivers.
> > > >
> > > > Windows NT (2000 and XP are included) was a ground up rewrite (Started
> as
> > > a
> > > > combined effort, IBM and Microsoft together, eventually creating OS/2
> And
> > > > Windows NT) and does not use DOS or anything similar. It loads into
> > > > protected mode as soon as possible, before loading any drivers or
> anything
> > > > more then is needed to read from the hard drive and display errors to
> the
> > > > video card. Once in protected mode, it discards all elements of the
> > > > realmode boot and switches over to it's own drivers.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, (For a true multiuser environment) the WinNT kernel is
> > > > integrated with the GUI. It's designed around having a GUI present,
> and
> > > > doesn't behave nicely without one.
> > > >
> > > > All versions of NT (4.0 and up, anyway -- I've basically forgotten
> about
> > > > 3.51 and earlier) have the ability to run multiple users which
> maintain
> > > > unique memory spaces and basically cannot interfere with each other
> They
> > > > can see all processes of course, but cannot interact with them
> (Assuming
> > > > proper ACLs are in place).
> > > >
> > > > The problem is, these users only have one GUI to interact with, and
> there
> > > is
> > > > no easy way to redirect/capture calls to the GUI and determine which
> video
> > > > driver should receive the messages. Citrix and terminal server are an
> > > > attempt around this, but you still run into challenges with
> programmers
> > > that
> > > > did not follow best practices, and store configuration and/or state
> > > > information on the hard drive in the application directory, or some
> other
> > > > location central to the system, rather then a session specific
> location.
> > > >
> > > > I have to admit, I've done this on a few occasions, but only on
> > > applications
> > > > where I needed to ensure that only one instance ran at a time on a
> given
> > > > machine (Servers, weblog->database import runs, etc), and I took
> > > appropriate
> > > > precautions to ensure that a second instance would refuse to run. I
> still
> > > > count myself as a lazy programmer though, since I didn't do things
> > > > "properly"
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