As for companies that manufacture products specifically for the blind, I do expect those to work properly when first used, but an iPhone does not fall into that category, even though it does, thankfully, come with Voice-Over.

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Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released


how about they take voiceover out altogether? No, we are never going to decide whether a product is released or not; no company is going to wait for blind people to be happy before releasing their product. We are too small a group. It's just the way it is. even people developing for the blind do this. It's something we have to get used to and work with. I am sure it will be ironed out, but you can forget about it waiting to be released until it is. it's not happening. The sighted world does not accommodate us. we have to find ways of doing things that sighted people do. It has been that way since I started in school with a brailleer, and a teacher to print my assignments for my sighted teachers, and it will always be that way. it is so much better than it was before voiceover, and I am grateful for that. I can buy something out of the box and use it.

Alia
On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Neal Ewers <[email protected]> wrote:

If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would
not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can
release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs
that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I
know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them
high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have
said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and
less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of
these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are
blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who
are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame  on you Apple, I
thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to
be such a friend of people who are disabled.

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