how about they take voiceover out altogether? No, we are never going to decide 
whether a product is released or not; no company is going to wait for blind 
people to be happy before releasing their product. We are too small a group. 
It's just the way it is. even people developing for the blind do this. It's 
something we have to get used to and work with. I am sure it will be ironed 
out, but you can forget about it waiting to be released until it is. it's not 
happening. The sighted world does not accommodate us. we have to find ways of 
doing things that sighted people do. It has been that way since I started in 
school with a brailleer, and a teacher to print my assignments for my sighted 
teachers, and it will always be that way. it is so much better than it was 
before voiceover, and I am grateful for that. I can buy something out of the 
box and use it.  

Alia
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Neal Ewers <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would
> not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can
> release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs
> that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I
> know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them
> high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have
> said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and
> less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of
> these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are
> blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get
> it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who
> are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame  on you Apple, I
> thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your
> mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to
> be such a friend of people who are disabled.

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