On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 00:23 -0700, LuKreme wrote: > On 24-Nov-2009, at 15:23, Jeff Mincy wrote: > > From: LuKreme <krem...@kreme.com> > >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:39, Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uh...@fantomas.sk> > > > >>> Yes, why to differ between non-abusing and abusing marketers... > > > >> We've been through this before. On my mail, habeas is a very strong > >> indicator of spam. It does not appear in legitimate mail. > >> > > I find it a little hard to believe that your spam is so much different from > > my spam. On my mail, not one single spam message (out of 228k total) hit > > HABEAS for all of 2009. The few messages (480 out of 11k) that hit HABEAS > > were all ham, either professional organizations/newsletters, transactions > > from places like Vanguard or retail stores that I have a relationship with. > > I get HABEAS mail sent to email addresses that have not been active in 10 > years and have never EVER signed up for anything whatsoever. I get HABEAS > mail sent to new admin@ email addresses on new domains, domains that have > never sent any email at all. > > > I don't know who these legitimate marketers are, but I don't feel I'm > > missing anything. > > > > You WILL 'block' legitimate mail. > > No I won't, because I don't use spamassassin to BLOCK mail. I simply score it > and if it scores over 5.0 it gets moved to the .SPAM folder where people are > free to recover it if they want. I've never had a single complaint about > HABEAS messages being misstagged as spam. > > > However, It's your email, so you > > can do anything you want. If you think HABEAS is so bad just set the > > HABEAS scores to zero and save the network bandwidth. > > I prefer to give it a positive score as in my tests, it is a definite spam > sign > I absolute have to agree with this. I see it in nothing but unwanted email and spam. Any form of commercial whitelisting = commercial mail (usually bulk and unwanted).
A good marketing company would *not* require a whitellist, as their mail would be fully compliant, score low and come from an IP with a good reputation. If spammers can tick these boxes, a paid for ESP should have no difficulty *without* the need for a white list.
