Jan,

> When running two servers on the same station, for some reason, working with 
> the "localhost:8161" console logs me off from the "localhost:8162" console, 
> and vice versa.
This has always been the case.
The cookie that proves that you are logged in is overwritten by the second 
session because such cookies are associated by a host-name only (and are 
ignoring the port-number).
A working solution is to use extra hostnames that also resolve to 127.0.0.1, 
e.g. "localhost1:8161" and "localhost2:8162".
Just add "localhost1" and "localhost2" to your hosts file also pointing to 
127.0.0.1. But feel free to use totally different hostnames instead.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Šmucr <jan.sm...@aimtecglobal.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 1:35 PM
To: users@activemq.apache.org
Subject: RE: 2.40.0 HAWTIO console design


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Hello Andy.

The "Artemis" menu lacks the tree, whereas the "Artemis JMX" menu presents the 
tree as as it is in the "JMX" section: Without Artemis-specific customizations. 
And without the tree, the navigation isn't as straightforward as it used to be.

I'll try to summarize the issues I've found so far:
* The "back" browser button no longer works. Wherever I am, it always returns 
me to the initial page.
* The tree (being a plain tree of JMX objects) is at least double the size, and 
that's without the additional padding.
* The "folders" in the tree (again, due to its JMX nature) no longer have any 
attributes and operations. In the previous UI, they had.
* The tree control does not have its own frame, so when digging deeper, object 
attributes remain at the top of the page, and I need to scroll back. 
Originally, I didn't have to.
* Navigating without the tree means clicking very little numbers, such as the 
number of queues when navigating from a list of addresses. 
* Getting back from the list of queues to the list of addresses is only 
possible by clicking the Addresses panel, and that returns me back to page 1.
* Navigating without the tree forces me to open the list of queues. However, 
some queues may have very complicated filters, so the filter column needs to 
stay hidden. 
* For some reason, the default sorting queues and addresses is by their ID. The 
same goes for the search panel.
* When running two servers on the same station, for some reason, working with 
the "localhost:8161" console logs me off from the "localhost:8162" console, and 
vice versa.
* The "Broker: ..." text takes up vertical space. If it really must be there, 
then maybe the header bar would be a good place to put it. The original UI 
didn't have it, as it was always visible in the tree.
* And the padding in general. I know it's nice to look at, but as soon as 
there's more information on the screen, it's at the expense of usability. It's 
not a mobile app.

Jan


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Taylor <andy.tayl...@gmail.com>
Sent: støeda 9. dubna 2025 11:52
To: users@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: 2.40.0 HAWTIO console design

On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 at 09:44, Jan ©mucr <jan.sm...@aimtecglobal.com> wrote:

> Hello.
> I know I may get some hate for this, but still, I'd like to ask: Is 
> the new console about to get some usability upgrades?
>

Upgrades as in?


> We're running 2.35.0 atm, and soon I'll be asked to upgrade to a newer 
> version. But admittedly, the new console gives me wrinkles. Simply 
> put, it's more JMX and less Artemis, and it wastes way too much space 
> for a productivity tool.
>

I am not sure I agree, the new console has its own JMX free menu item which 
doesn't use JMX at all, so you can do all the same things as the previous 
console either using the JMX view or the non JMX view, maybe you missed this?


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> Are there plans to adjust the console towards the previous user 
> experience, or can I somehow revert to the original one?
>

There isn't, but if you have any specific improvements you would like please 
ask and remember the console is open source and any contributions are always 
welcome.


> Thank you.
> Jan
>

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